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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

I'm completely unconcerned with "international" laws, I am, however, concerned with "american laws." I'm funny that way.

Which, this may suprise you, only apply to Americans, or people who break American law on American soil, neither of which apply to Assange.
 
Those foreigners are caught IN Thailand and are not extradited to Thailand. No country in Europe would ever extradite a person of any nationality to another country if that person risked the death penalty.

As I said that was an extreme example to show that people can indeed be trailed by a country they're not citizens of.
And as you know people are being extradited to countries they're not citizens of and are judged there all the time.

No, first they have to prove there is a crime. As of yet there is no proof.

Not exactly, but they do need to have enough evidence for him to be charged in suspicion of committing a crime.

No, because they cant. The US State Department cant "issue" arrest warrants.. you should know better..As for blackmailing HAHAH.. now the right wing conspiracy wackos are out again.

And I have heard that the CIA was behind JFKs assassination.. does not mean it is true.

Actually he said so himself.

Video - Breaking News Videos from CNN.com

Click on the "Assange threatens 'poison pill' 2:53" video.

So be careful before you go all out in your labeling of something as a conspiracy theory and make sure you google it first next time.

Also, reported for the "right wing conspiracy wackos" remark.
 
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He apologized after getting caught. He signed the statement and one is always held responsible for that fact. So waiting for your apology

My statement was factually correct. He denied believing 9/11 was an inside job. Let me quote him on how he appeared on the petition:

Van Jones said:
I believe that 9/11 was a conspiracy by Al-Qaida and Osama Bin Laden, and nobody else, trying to hurt America. What happened to me on that tough lesson learned for me, six years ago, I was at a conference, some people came up to me. They said, 'Hey, we represent 9-11 families.' I'm like, 'OK, good to meet you.' They said, 'We need your help. Will you help us?' I said, 'Sure, whatever you want.'

And then these people, I didn't know what their agenda was, they went and put my name on some abhorrent, crazy language they never showed me

Van Jones Explains 9/11 Petition In One Of His First Post-White House Interviews (VIDEO)

Still waiting for your proof that the left believes 9/11 is an inside job.
 
I'm asking you to think.

Specifically: WHAT INTERNATIONAL LAW HAS JULIAN ASSANGE BROKEN?

Is embarrassing the United States a crime?

Here it is, being asked by an Aussie newspaper:



Julian Assange is the Ned Kelly of the digital age

If you can't answer these questions, your opinion here is meaningless.

And I have given you a reasonable answer to the question repeatedly. If you chose not to read my words, I can't help you.
 
So, it's settled, then.

We will rain down shock and awe upon Sydney.
 
Don't feel bad, Redress. You're not alone.

Julia Gillard can't name what law WikiLeaks has broken


Prime Minister Julia Gillard has again been unable to name any Australian laws broken by the controversial WikiLeaks website or its founder Julian Assange.

Western governments are increasingly calling for Mr Assange to be stopped as WikiLeaks continues to publish more than 250,000 confidential documents from the United States State Department.

But asked directly what Australian laws had been broken by either WikiLeaks or Mr Assange, Ms Gillard said the Australian Federal Police were investigating.

"The foundation stone of it is an illegal act," Ms Gillard told reporters today.

But the "foundation stone" was the leaking of the documents to the website, not the publishing of the cables.

"It would not happen, information would not be on WikiLeaks, if there had not been an illegal act undertaken," Ms Gillard said.

It is widely assumed the man responsible for the leaks is a US soldier who is already in prison for previous leaks.

Opposition legal affairs spokesman George Brandis accused Ms Gillard of being "clumsy" with her language on the issue of illegality.

"As far as I can see, he [Mr Assange] hasn't broken any Australian law," he told Sky News.

"Nor does it appear he has broken any American laws."

Senator Brandis, a Queen's Counsel, called for any debate about the publishing of the cables to have a well-defined understanding of the difference between something which appeared to be morally wrong and an act that was illegal.

Julia Gillard can't name what law WikiLeaks has broken
 
My statement was factually correct. He denied believing 9/11 was an inside job. Let me quote him on how he appeared on the petition:



Van Jones Explains 9/11 Petition In One Of His First Post-White House Interviews (VIDEO)

Still waiting for your proof that the left believes 9/11 is an inside job.

Why since his signature doesn't matter but his apology years later does? Interesting list of truthers which of course aren't part of the left. Apparently they are members of the right that just lost their way.

9/11 Truth movement - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
And I have given you a reasonable answer to the question repeatedly. If you chose not to read my words, I can't help you.

What specific law did he break, Redress? If you've answered this question, please direct me to the post.
 
Good on Julian. He willingly handed himself over to the British Police, hardly detained and "arrested" in the usual manner.
Europe will not hand him over to US if it even dreams of using the death penalty and finally. Interpol? ... REALLY?
What International law did Julian break exactly? US law, contrary to many Americans belief is limited to US borders. Those who should be jailed is the Americans employed who uploaded it. Julian Assange has done nothing wrong imo to justify the witch hunt US is performing.

If anyone is partially responsible for this leak. It should be Americans
They clambered in the aftermath of 9/11 and had a leave of common sense and actually allowed the US Government to pool all of their data in one place and then allow millions to get access to it. Real clever, I see no security flaws there at all. :doh
 
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I think it is important to do everything we can to stop it, within the law, to show that we will not allow assholes with a beef against us to attack us and harm us. He is actively working to harm the US and US interests, and we do have to respond as best we can within the framework of the law.

Depends on details we do not know as of yet. Did he in any way encourage the stealing or passing on to him of the documents? We he one of the people to help Manning with technical information(remember, Assange's history is as a hacker)? I used the phrase "withing the framework of the law" for a reason. It's not a complicated phrase.


That is under investigation. If he is chargeable under the law, I hope he is charged, and I think we should go to every length to look into whether we can find something to charge him with. It does have to be done within the framework of the law however.

What specific law did he break, Redress? If you've answered this question, please direct me to the post.

Reading is fundamental.
 
The U.S. does not have an official secrets act. Bradley Manning is being prosecuted for violating his security clearance requirements and leaking the cables/classified reports. But, Julian Assange never had security clearance, and publishing this classified data on a European server is not a crime.
 
Here's the answer: Publishing those documents was not illegal. Embarrassing? Yes. Illegal? No. Immoral? Well, that's in the eye of the beholder.

That is not for you or I to determine. Neither of us knows all the laws involved in that. Further, that is not the only way in which he may have broken the law.
 
That is not for you or I to determine. Neither of us knows all the laws involved in that. Further, that is not the only way in which he may have broken the law.

I don't believe he broke any European law or Australia as it stands and who cares about US law?
He isn't American.

US should be going after those who uploaded the data onto his website. He didn't exactly stroll in and use a memory key to swipe it
 
I don't believe he broke any European law or Australia as it stands and who cares about US law?
He isn't American.

US should be going after those who uploaded the data onto his website. He didn't exactly stroll in and use a memory key to swipe it

You never know, he could be the first non Muslim resident at Gauntanemo Bay.
 
Bull****. We don't live in a freaking fascist regime....YET.

So you get to determine what the law is? My statement was factually correct(we don't determine the law) and has nothing to do with fascism. Prosecuting some one for breaking the law is hardly fascist. Emotional rhetoric at it's finest. Op ed pieces and rhetoric does not make for good debate.
 
I like that idea.

You are a sensible fellow, Spud.

Let's hope they don't mess with Humpty Do, though. That boxing Croc of their looks too mean to shock, much less awe. .
 
I don't believe he broke any European law or Australia as it stands and who cares about US law?He isn't American.

US should be going after those who uploaded the data onto his website. He didn't exactly stroll in and use a memory key to swipe it

Uhhh, that would be me........and all of al qaeda's potential victims. :shock:
 
You never know, he could be the first non Muslim resident at Gauntanemo Bay.

LOL. What a mile stone!
He should NOT be deported to US under any circumstance.

Frankly I think UK should hand him over to the EU Courts.
I don't trust UK courts, too much US influence on our politics. We're not going to be able to be neutral in this judgement with US bitching down our ear to hand him over imo
 
“Our anger at WikiLeaks should not obscure the fact that it is Washington's absurd data-sharing policy that made this possible. That's the scandal here that needs fixing.” — FAREED ZAKARIA

There's an awful lot of foaming at the mouth lately by Americans in general and conservatives in particular. A more reasoned analysis shows that the diplomatic cable releases have at least up to this point not been all bad for Americans and American diplomacy.

Excerpted from “WikiLeaks Shows the Skills of U.S. Diplomats” By FAREED ZAKARIA, TIME, Thursday, Dec. 02, 2010
[SIZE="+2"]I[/SIZE] don't deny for a moment that many of the "wikicables" are intensely embarrassing, but the sum total of the output I have read is actually quite reassuring about the way Washington — or at least the State Department — works.

First, there is little deception. … The WikiLeaks documents … show Washington pursuing privately pretty much the policies it has articulated publicly. … And often this foreign policy is concerned with broader regional security, not narrow American interests. Ambassadors are not caught pushing other countries in order to make deals secretly to strengthen the U.S., but rather to solve festering problems.

The cables also show an American diplomatic establishment that is pretty good at analysis. … When foreigners encounter U.S. diplomats and listen to their bland recitation of policy, they would do well to keep in mind that behind the facade lie some very clever minds.

The most significant revelations in the trove are those relating to Arab views of Iran. … It's one thing to have diplomats expressing these sentiments in private, quite another to have the direct and explicit words of the King of Saudi Arabia.
 
I don't believe he broke any European law or Australia as it stands and who cares about US law?
He isn't American.

US should be going after those who uploaded the data onto his website. He didn't exactly stroll in and use a memory key to swipe it

The US is going after those who took part in this.

His nationality is irrelevant. To use an example to illustrate(I realize that the comparison is not exact), if a Soviet had gone to Europe and tried to get some one at a US embassy to give him secret information, he would be guilty of spying, even though he has not entered the US, nor was he a US citizen.
 
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