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Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

Apocalypse said:
If he has achieved those files he published illegally then he should expect to sit a lot of time in prison. Life-time long.
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For what charge? Did you ever consider that maybe a heavy-handed response isn't the best option? Like I've said before, this is classified information, not TOP SECRET information. There's a difference. A lot of stuff is classified that is actually public information. It's how it is analyzed/reported that contributes to the classification.
 
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PeteEU said:
Some clarification is needed.

1. He turned himself in. He was not "arrested" in the classic form of the term with police hunting him down and throwing him in cuffs.

2. The case for sending him to Sweden is very weak. One of the women in question is a known feminist who believes men dominate women and need to be punished.

3. And the rule of law has to be followed. This has nothing (in theory) to do with the Wikileaks situation and even in Sweden the case against him is very weak to say the least. Many are saying it is an overzealous prosecutor that is going after him.

Also dont count on the US getting him at least legally. The US justice department is looking for something to charge him with that does not involve the death penalty (as many on the right want), since no European country would release anyone to the US with the threat of a death sentence.

And then comes in the lack of credibility the US justice system has in many European countries these days, and the clear political motives behind wanting Assange given over to the US. What law exactly has he broken to be brutally honest? Over 3 million people had access to this information on a daily basis before it was leaked.. it was hardly hugely secret stuff.

As for the latest leaks.. pft, the Russians already knew that lol, so freaking what.
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Pete, when do you think we will see the documents supporting the left claims that 9/11 was an inside job and that Bush lied to get us into the Iraq War? You would think that with all the documents that Wikileaks has released there surely was documents supporting the left argument on those issues?
 
Conservative said:
Pete, when do you think we will see the documents supporting the left claims that 9/11 was an inside job and that Bush lied to get us into the Iraq War? You would think that with all the documents that Wikileaks has released there surely was documents supporting the left argument on those issues?
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Holy ****, the "left" claims 9/11 was an inside job now? When did this happen? I thought it was just a handful of nutjobs along the lines of birthers.
 
Heavy Duty said:
On the right? LOL you libs have been whining about this guy because he exposed Obama and Hillary for the fools and backstabbers they are. So dont try and throw this on the right as it has only hurt those on the left.
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Um last I checked It was the conservative blowhards that were doing all the whining calling for executions and assassinations.
 
Redress said:
Holy ****, the "left" claims 9/11 was an inside job now? When did this happen? I thought it was just a handful of nutjobs along the lines of birthers.
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Councilman is pulling this stuff out of his ass.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
For what charge? Did you ever consider that maybe a heavy-handed response isn't the best option? Like I've said before, this is classified information, not TOP SECRET information. There's a difference. A lot of stuff is classified that is actually public information. It's how it is analyzed/reported that contributes to the classification.
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The level of classification and whether it should be classified is irrelevant. The information is classified and being released to damage US interests.
 
Redress said:
Holy ****, the "left" claims 9/11 was an inside job now? When did this happen? I thought it was just a handful of nutjobs along the lines of birthers.
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Ask Van Jones and all the other Truthers
 
Conservative said:
Ask Van Jones and all the other Truthers
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You made the claim. You can of course back up that it's the "left" claiming it, and not just a few nuts?
 
Redress said:
The level of classification and whether it should be classified is irrelevant. The information is classified and being released to damage US interests.
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Oh. So, if we classified the type of underwear that lady gaga wears, and some newspaper leaked it, could we prosecute them?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
For what charge? Did you ever consider that maybe a heavy-handed response isn't the best option? Like I've said before, this is classified information, not TOP SECRET information. There's a difference. A lot of stuff is classified that is actually public information. It's how it is analyzed/reported that contributes to the classification.
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Doesn't matter really. I believe in the rule of law and if he has achieved 'classified' files illegally and has published them then by all means, the law should nail him. He's not superior to any other person and should serve his time in prison like any other criminal of the same magnitude would, politics being irrelevant here.

Those documents are US state property, the illegal achievement of those documents is theft and the publishing of them is spying.
 
Redress said:
You made the claim. You can of course back up that it's the "left" claiming it, and not just a few nuts?
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That nut was an advisor to the President and worked in this Administration. Are you claiming that he doesn't support that claim. Are you claiming that wasn't the argument from Democrats after 9/11 and after the invasion of Iraq? You seem to have a very selective memory.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Oh. So, if we classified the type of underwear that lady gaga wears, and some newspaper leaked it, could we prosecute them?
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Depends. Did the newspaper solicit people to obtain the information? Did the paper encourage or help people to break the law in obtaining and leaking the information? If the answer is yes, then yes we should. Prosecuting lawbreakers is one of those things I support.
 
Apocalypse said:
Doesn't matter really. I believe in the rule of law and if he has achieved 'classified' files illegally and has published them then by all means, the law should nail him. He's not superior to any other person and should serve his time in prison like any other criminal of the same magnitude would, politics being irrelevant here.

Those documents are US state property, the illegal achievement of those documents is theft and the publishing of them is spying.
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I'm just not sure that what he's done is, in international terms, illegal. Or, if we have any standing to prosecute him. He's not a U.S. citizen. Just because something is damaging to our national interests does not necessarily make it illegal. It may be, but I'm not sure what our rights are in this scenario. I don't believe that they are nearly as clearcut as you think they are.

If they were, we'd have already issued warrants for his arrest and/or convened a grand jury, even in absentia.
 
Redress said:
Depends. Did the newspaper solicit people to obtain the information? Did the paper encourage or help people to break the law in obtaining and leaking the information? If the answer is yes, then yes we should. Prosecuting lawbreakers is one of those things I support.
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I believe that the lawbreaker in question is already being prosecuted. I'm just not sure that we OWNED that information in such a way that publishing it is a violation of international law.

Also, when it comes to prosecuting lawbreakers, I'm a fan. Tell me, though. What international law did Julian Assange break?

Was Daniel Ellsberg also a criminal? Or, a hero?
 
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Conservative said:
That nut was an advisor to the President and worked in this Administration. Are you claiming that he doesn't support that claim. Are you claiming that wasn't the argument from Democrats after 9/11 and after the invasion of Iraq? You seem to have a very selective memory.
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I am claiming that your claim that the "left" think 9/11 was an inside job is bull****, and I am claiming you have made no effort to back up that claim.

By the way, Jones says he does not believe 9/11 was an inside job.
 
Catz Part Deux said:
Can you synthesize the data you've posted and quantify the damage that has been done? I doubt it.

Are people going to stop negotiating with us? Of course not.

Is this embarrassing? Yes.

Is it detrimental, in any sort of longterm way? Don't be absurd. Of course it isn't.

Every country has dirty laundry. You think they don't have similar secrets?

They need us, we need them, it's a relationship of convenience. This is a minor blip on the radar screen.

You only care because it gives you an axe to grind against Obama.
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Unless you are cooperating with the us and now al qaeda has your address. That's quite a statement even for an american liberal/leftists.

In regards to mr obama, of course I felt he was too inexperienced to be potus. I've seen little in the last two years to change my opinion. This is just more of the same. Mr obama is clearly in over his head in many fundamental ways. This regime represents a disaster for the us.
 
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Dutch said:
Unless you are cooperating with the us and now al qaeda has your address. That's quite a statement even for an american liberal/leftists.

In regards to mr obama, of course I felt he was too inexperienced to be potus. I've seen little in the last two years to change my opinion. This is just more of the same. Mr obama is clearly in over his head in many fundamental ways. This regime represents a disaster for the us.
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So what you're saying without saying it is... It's Obamas fault?
 
Catz Part Deux said:
I believe that the lawbreaker in question is already being prosecuted. I'm just not sure that we OWNED that information in such a way that publishing it is a violation of international law.

Also, when it comes to prosecuting lawbreakers, I'm a fan. Tell me, though. What international law did Julian Assange break?
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That is under investigation. If he is chargeable under the law, I hope he is charged, and I think we should go to every length to look into whether we can find something to charge him with. It does have to be done within the framework of the law however.
 
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