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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    So your statement that the USA relationship to other countries has not been negatively affected is based solely on what has been made public? Interesting, stupid but interesting.

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    At least I am going by something which I have evidence for. You appear to be making baseless accusations based on the very thing that you are trying to say that I am stupid for. You have no more of an idea what is being communicated between officals than I do. Yet you seem to be readily willing to believe that it is negetive. With no proof. Besides if you'll go back to the post that I was responding to the "world" was mentioned...not just the "governments".
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Why are you calling him a fag? I find that highly offensive to gays. You really shouldn't be engaging in such bigoted slurs dood.


    I've posted numerous articles. He was upset about a breakup, and the DADT thing, and so he did what he did. Show me evidence to the contrary.
    Except your articles do not even shown evidence for your own position, which is basically just your own rationalization necessary for you to slander him without feeling guilty. What your articles show is that he is upset with a military policy discriminatory against him.

    You've obviously never seen things like ethnic cleansing or men murdering women and childeren in the name of thier cause/god/whatever for example. I have, and I've seen much worse and those people I can assure you, are in dire need of some killing.

    I find your lack of empathy for the victims of these war crimes, the reprehensible thing. :
    Just because I have a strong aversion to killing for any proclaimed reason does not mean I lack empathy, much the opposite in fact. Even were I to witness such events with my own eyes it would not cause me to abandon my respect for all human life.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Uhm the penalty for treason at a time of war is death. He betrayed not only his country but his fellow soldiers.

    He needs to swing like the treasonous dog that he is.
    I don't understand why informing the people is considered a negative or wrong thing. The government is supposed to be for the people by the people, but if they release what the government has done or said, note not current military missions or strategies, it is wrong and evil? Not to mention he does not live in America. Betraying fellow soldiers? How so? Is it because now that the horrors of American wartime policy are released? That seems positive as long as the people get pissed off and want to change that policy, maybe then the soldiers would not be forced to kill innocents.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    At least I am going by something which I have evidence for. You appear to be making baseless accusations based on the very thing that you are trying to say that I am stupid for. You have no more of an idea what is being communicated between officals than I do. Yet you seem to be readily willing to believe that it is negetive. With no proof. Besides if you'll go back to the post that I was responding to the "world" was mentioned...not just the "governments".
    You really should quit while you are behind. That you think you know what the World thinks is even stupider.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post




    Except your articles do not even shown evidence for your own position, which is basically just your own rationalization necessary for you to slander him without feeling guilty. What your articles show is that he is upset with a military policy discriminatory against him.
    When you deny the very evidence put before you. You are beyond help.




    Just because I have a strong aversion to killing for any proclaimed reason does not mean I lack empathy, much the opposite in fact. Even were I to witness such events with my own eyes it would not cause me to abandon my respect for all human life.


    Tell me about the respect for the life of a man who would beat a 12 year old girl into submission so she would be a sex slave prostitute for visiting UN troops.


    Tell me how much you respect that mans life.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by WeAreReborn View Post
    I don't understand why informing the people is considered a negative or wrong thing.
    You seem to be rather new here so I'll take it easy on ya...First off, there are reasons that certain information is considered "Secret, or Top Secret" You don't have a need for access to that information. That is what you elect representatives for. There are a number of reasons to keep information from getting public that don't have some 'America sucks' reason for letting it loose. And Assange's reason stated by him was to cause chaos in order to bring down governments like ours. Do you believe that is a noble quest of his?

    The government is supposed to be for the people by the people, but if they release what the government has done or said, note not current military missions or strategies, it is wrong and evil?
    Did you ever tell someone something that you didn't necessarily getting out to everyone?

    Not to mention he does not live in America.
    America can still prosecute him. Check your history, and Law.

    Assange himself knows this.

    Robinson said they're hearing from lawyers in the U.S. that an indictment of Assange could be imminent.

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    Wikileaks founder Julian Assange, the man behind the publication of more than a 250,000 classified U.S. diplomatic cables, could face spying charges in the U.S. related to the Espionage Act, Assange's lawyer said today.

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    Justice Department officials declined to comment on the possible coming charges, but earlier this week, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said the release of the documents had put the United States at risk and said he authorized a criminal investigation into Assange.

    "The lives of people who work for the American people has been put at risk; the American people themselves have been put at risk by these actions that are, I believe, arrogant, misguided and ultimately not helpful in any way. We are doing everything that we can," Holder said Tuesday. "We have a very serious, active, ongoing investigation that is criminal in nature. I authorized just last week a number of things to be done so that we can hopefully get to the bottom of this and hold people accountable, as they -- as they should be."

    Wikileaks Julian Assange: Lawyers Prepare for U.S. Espionage Indictment - ABC News
    So not living in America has no bearing on this debate.

    Betraying fellow soldiers? How so?
    That would be PFC Bradley Manning held in Ft. Benning I think.

    Is it because now that the horrors of American wartime policy are released?
    The horrors eh. Well, no one that has ever served would tell you that War is a cakewalk. But no, it isn't about American policy entirely, it is about being able to conduct diplomacy, and having those that deal with us able to speak without thinking that it will end up on line for all to see.

    That seems positive as long as the people get pissed off and want to change that policy, maybe then the soldiers would not be forced to kill innocents.
    Whom are the 'innocents' in your eyes?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    You really should quit while you are behind. That you think you know what the World thinks is even stupider.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You seem to be rather new here so I'll take it easy on ya...First off, there are reasons that certain information is considered "Secret, or Top Secret" You don't have a need for access to that information. That is what you elect representatives for. There are a number of reasons to keep information from getting public that don't have some 'America sucks' reason for letting it loose. And Assange's reason stated by him was to cause chaos in order to bring down governments like ours. Do you believe that is a noble quest of his?
    Part in Bold: Really? Why would something like this be kept secret? One would think that it would be more beneficial to put it in the publics eye so more pressure can be applied...

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    Underlined part: No the reason that I elect officials is to represent what I want done in my country. No one elects their reps to hide secrets from them. To say anything else is disengenous at best.

    Red part: Proof please.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Did you ever tell someone something that you didn't necessarily getting out to everyone?
    Only a fool does that. The best way to keep a secret is to not tell anyone. Otherwise you just set yourself up for a fall.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    America can still prosecute him. Check your history, and Law.
    Perhaps you should check your history and law instead. There are currently senetors that are trying to get the Shield Act passed specifically so that they can legally charge Assaunge with a crime. As it stands they have no legal grounds to charge him. Otherwise the Shield Act would not be necessary if the Espionage Act was all that was needed.

    As for History you should read up on the NY Times court case in reference to the Pentagon Papers.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So not living in America has no bearing on this debate.
    It does have part bearing on this debate.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That would be PFC Bradley Manning held in Ft. Benning I think.
    Correct. Being the one that actually stole the information and he is an American Citizen he can and will no doubt be charged under the espionage act and even possibly treason. Though I don't think that he has been charged as of yet. Last I heard he hadn't been anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Whom are the 'innocents' in your eyes?

    j-mac
    I would imagine that he would be talking about civilians. You know..the "collateral damage" of wars.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Tell me about the respect for the life of a man who would beat a 12 year old girl into submission so she would be a sex slave prostitute for visiting UN troops.


    Tell me how much you respect that mans life.

    Huh? What's this got to do with Assaunge and/or Wikileaks?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    When you deny the very evidence put before you. You are beyond help.
    Except all you put forward is that a gay man has a problem with a policy discriminatory against gays. You are acting as though every gay man that has a problem with discriminatory policies is some hardline gay activist out for blood. However, just in the hopes this will shut you up:

    Manning described the incident which first made him seriously question the U.S. war in Iraq: when he was instructed to work on the case of Iraqi "insurgents" who had been detained for distributing "insurgent" literature which, when he had it translated, turned out to be nothing more than "a scholarly critique against PM Maliki":

    i had an interpreter read it for me… and when i found out that it was a benign political critique titled "Where did the money go?" and following the corruption trail within the PM’s cabinet… i immediately took that information and *ran* to the officer to explain what was going on… he didn’t want to hear any of it… he told me to shut up and explain how we could assist the FPs in finding *MORE* detainees…

    i had always questioned the things worked, and investigated to find the truth… but that was a point where i was a *part* of something… i was actively involved in something that i was completely against…
    Source: Salon

    Tell me about the respect for the life of a man who would beat a 12 year old girl into submission so she would be a sex slave prostitute for visiting UN troops.


    Tell me how much you respect that mans life.
    As much as I respect anyone's life.
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