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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It's a little bit of everything.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Predicition: Liberals will be wearing "Che"-like shirts one day in honor of Julian Assange.

    He is EXACTLY like today's American lefties. If Obama was still a community organizer in Rev. Wright's church, he would fully support Assange. They're cut from the same cloth.
    How did this get turned into a "Liberal" -vs- "Conservative" issue when the thread topic had absolutely NOTHING to do with politics, American or otherwise? Some people will inject partisan politics (or in some cases race) into any situation just to get their rocks off. (Pun intended!)

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    How did this get turned into a "Liberal" -vs- "Conservative" issue when the thread topic had absolutely NOTHING to do with politics, American or otherwise? Some people will inject partisan politics (or in some cases race) into any situation just to get their rocks off. (Pun intended!)
    That's all they have, OV.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    More that he showed how two faced the rest of the world is.


    They now will react differently to us. is this a net gain?
    Depends on how they will react to us. Have you noticed any difference in how other countries are treating us? I sure haven't.



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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    From the article:



    See, that is investigative journalism. It is entirely different from what Wikileaks does.
    And investigative reporters never have anything handed to them? Which is the only real difference here. One goes out and "investigates" the other accepts it's material from other sources. Wait...doesn't normal investigative reporters accept their material from other sources also?...hmm what a quandary...
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    What's he released that's put troops at risk?
    Good question...

    Most folks look for intelligence information, such as troop strength, troop movements, military strategies, weaponry, that sort of thing to justify the "risk". I haven't read the WikiLeak articles, so I can't say for sure if any of this type of information is among the leaked documents. What I can say is alot of information concerning diplomatic relations have been released. In and of itself, it's no big deal. Representatives from various governments will always hold diplomatic dialog (or so we hope). But here's the rub...

    Our nation is in the midst of drawing down one war in Iraq and heavily engaged in trying to twarth terrorism in Afghanistan, and in doing so we've forged diplomatic relationships across several nations. At the core of these WikiLeak documents (according to press releases) are the strength of our foreign relationtions which the U.S. depend on in our fight against terrorism. If these relationships are torn about due to what amounts to be "gossip", it may ultimately mean we fight terrorism largely across the Middle-East alone. I mean, what nation can tolerate knowing that their government partnered w/the U.S. in underhanded dealings? The government of Yemen, for example, may not like that their country has become a harbenger for terrorist activity. But if their people upon learning the truth as to the depths towhich their government has been willing to go in order to rid their country of terrorist, some of which may be their own countrymen, maybe they're not so willing to support their government any longer. This is just an example based on what's been reported through the media, but being prior military and thinking from that frame of mind, I can certainly see where these leaks can have serious consequences. And the political ripple effect cannot be good for us. To that, Sect. Clinton was smart to jump on the phones all night to smooth this situation over fast!

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    And investigative reporters never have anything handed to them? Which is the only real difference here. One goes out and "investigates" the other accepts it's material from other sources. Wait...doesn't normal investigative reporters accept their material from other sources also?...hmm what a quandary...
    There is no quandary if you think it out. Accepting and publishing something is not investigating. Investigating something, checking with multiple sources, getting confirmation, and so on, that is investigative journalism.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That's all they have, OV.
    That's sad! If I were a mod I'd stop alot of this non-sense in its tracks!! (Not suggesting the mods aren't doing their jobs; just saying what I would do if I were one. Still...for the posters...)

    Either stay on point or remove yourself from the discussion.

    (Sorry if I stepped on any toes here...it just tic's me off when people purposely attempt to divert from the thread topic for political gains.)
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    The NY Times is an established entity that is universally recognized as being part of "The Press".

    A random website operating in a user submission type of style that is primarily a repository for leaked documents rather than investigation journalism that is actually crafting a report or story detailing said leaks is not as cut and dry as a form of "The Press". Is Wikipedia the press? Is 4chan "The Press" if someone posted up classified documents there? The difference between the two is one is unquestionably part of "The Press" and the other is a bit more ambiguous, and that in and of itself may warrant the need for SCOTUS action in determining it.

    Indeed, I personally find this entire thing fascinating becuase its a case of the modern era needing to be define within the scope of the constitution. The "new media" and the frontier of the internet, blogs, community-based internet news sites, and other type of things are essentially untested and unproven ground and this may be the type of thing that helps solidify their definition as we move deeper into this new century.
    I agree, those that are opposed to what wikileaks is doing are calling it a blog while those that support them are calling it a news site.

    So whats the defination of a news agency?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    I agree, those that are opposed to what wikileaks is doing are calling it a blog while those that support them are calling it a news site.

    So whats the defination of a news agency?
    That is probably going to be one of the big questions that comes out of this. To me, to be a "news" site, you need reporters and a set of standards of verification for what you publish. Going back to Woodward and Bernstien, they had a standard that to be publishable, they needed 2 sources for something.

    It's going to end up being a very messy effort to arrive at a reasonable definition. Like seemingly everything else in this day and age, the lines are very blurry.
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