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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Nor does the espionage act and/or the issue of being a traitor, but that hasn't stopped you, has it?
    Not to mention Assange did his "dirty deed" outside the US ... so no US law applies to him or his acts...

    Or the fact that even if he DID do it in the US.. the 1.st amendment would apply to him, just as it applies to everyone else.. ups...
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    From the article:

    See, that is investigative journalism. It is entirely different from what Wikileaks does.
    Gotta kind of agree with Redress here, and its part of the grey area in regards to Wikileaks being "The Press".

    Research a large variety of matters, meticulously double and triple checking things with various sources, and relaying information in a narritive fashion of a news report is significantly different then directly reprinting classified information in essentially its original format.

    Would you consider someone that just grabs a domain name, scans a bunch of government files into a computer, and then throws them up on the website a "journalist"?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    I think that it becomes more complicated when you add in the fact that Assange and other Wikileaks researchers have collaborated, to a meticulous degree, with journalistic organizations who've synthesized some of the data that has been posted on Wikileaks, resulting in reports, such as the one that won Assange an award from Amnesty International in 2009, on governmental and law enforcment entities in Kenya who'd killed several hundred young men.

    Also...the cables are a great read.

    Here's a brief look...

    Who's Who in WikiLeaks - By Max Strasser | Foreign Policy

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are ways to change the system. Randomly releasing classified material is not one of them.
    There is nothing random about it. Bradley Manning, the alleged leaker, saw material that he felt revealed abuses that demanded exposure. He sent these documents in their entirety to Wikileaks, a site committed to exposure of information concerning abuses. Wikileaks has worked with the press, and even offered to work with people from the government, in order to decide what should or should not be published.

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Correct, there is a fine line. Assange is not some one I trust, nor are other random people to make the determination.
    So who do you think should be trusted? The freedom fairies?

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    wait, so manning deserves a medal?
    Well, I think he deserves one more than many soldiers who get them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I think the issue is that the basis for the NYT's not being found guilty of espionage (because there was a court case) was due to their rights under the Freedom of the Press.

    The issue that comes in here is whether or not something like "Wikileaks" legitimately can be considered "The Press" or if its not. If its not, then it becomes far more up in the air than the NYT's case. If it can be considered "The Press", then there is a much more reasonably sound constitutional argumement that they wouldn't fall under the legal issues.
    I would say they do constitute a press organization. The video of the helo attack in Iraq earlier this year was an example of press-type activity. Their actions with the most recent logs are very much in the nature of a press organization as they are disseminating information to members of the process and coordinating the reporting of information with them.

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    Is Wikipedia the press?
    Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia. Wikinews is the press organization.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    There is nothing random about it. Bradley Manning, the alleged leaker, saw material that he felt revealed abuses that demanded exposure. He sent these documents in their entirety to Wikileaks, a site committed to exposure of information concerning abuses. Wikileaks has worked with the press, and even offered to work with people from the government, in order to decide what should or should not be published.

    I heard he was a gay activist who did it because he was pissed about DADT.


    Well, I think he deserves one more than many soldiers who get them.

    Well when those of us who served want the opinion of someone who hasn't on who deserves recognition, you'll be the first to know.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Well when those of us who served want the opinion of someone who hasn't on who deserves recognition, you'll be the first to know.
    Oh. Okay. So, the military is no longer answerable to the citizens?

    That's a ****ing lame comment. You served. I respect that about you, greatly. But, I'm sorry. The military is answerable to the citizens, not vice versa. You seem confused on that issue.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Oh. Okay. So, the military is no longer answerable to the citizens?

    That's a ****ing lame comment. You served. I respect that about you, greatly. But, I'm sorry. The military is answerable to the citizens, not vice versa. You seem confused on that issue.



    Uhm, my comment was a retort to the notion that one who betrayed his oath and his fellow soldiers is more deserving of a medal than others who have received them.

    It has nothing to do with being answerable to civilians.

    I stand by my statement.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    And nothing stops the Greatness that is the Good Reverend. The line is drawn, wherever I am.
    Is it a line in the sand? A line on your pants? Or a line of fangirls waiting behind a red rope for access?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Is it a line in the sand? A line on your pants? Or a line of fangirls waiting behind a red rope for access?



    It's a little bit of everything.


    You got something on your post, I hope it buffs out.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I don't necessarily disagree with you, but at the moment its not clear cut. And as such, it warrants to be looked at. Its ambiguous, so making a clear statement of it being illegal or legal is trying to make a claim of what the baseball game's conclussion is going to be based on what the score is in the 3rd inning. You may luck into the right answer, but ultimately you have to let the game play out.
    This is the best game I've seen in a while, tbh. I'm loving it on some dark level inside my soul.

    And right now there is a significant difference between the status of "The Press" for Wikileaks comparitive to something like WaPo or NYT. As such, I think action should be persued, because the government shouldn't just shuffle pass this issue due to ambiguity that needs to be clarified in the long run.
    Good point. I do believe that there needs to be greater exploration of the role of new media, and what that means in a first amendment context.

    But...John Adams' wasn't another nation, he was our own nation. It shows me that not only has openness been something that's long been in our countries history, but contention amongst our own country on how open is too open is also part of who we are.
    This is where my deeply closeted libertarianism shows, to some degree. I am distrusting of government on many levels. A thorough airing of their closets occasionally is something I welcome, even if we end up seeing dirty underwear on the floor.

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