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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How is investigative journalism different than what Assange has done? How is what wikileaks is doing untirely unlike what the NY Times did in publishing the Pentagon Papers?

    Please feel free to be explicit.
    The NY Times is an established entity that is universally recognized as being part of "The Press".

    A random website operating in a user submission type of style that is primarily a repository for leaked documents rather than investigation journalism that is actually crafting a report or story detailing said leaks is not as cut and dry as a form of "The Press". Is Wikipedia the press? Is 4chan "The Press" if someone posted up classified documents there? The difference between the two is one is unquestionably part of "The Press" and the other is a bit more ambiguous, and that in and of itself may warrant the need for SCOTUS action in determining it.

    Indeed, I personally find this entire thing fascinating becuase its a case of the modern era needing to be define within the scope of the constitution. The "new media" and the frontier of the internet, blogs, community-based internet news sites, and other type of things are essentially untested and unproven ground and this may be the type of thing that helps solidify their definition as we move deeper into this new century.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Here's something for Redress and Hellhound...

    Outside a gated subdivision of mansions in McLean, a line of cars idles every weekday morning as a new day in Top Secret America gets underway. The drivers wait patiently to turn left, then crawl up a hill and around a bend to a destination that is not on any public map and not announced by any street sign.

    Liberty Crossing tries hard to hide from view. But in the winter, leafless trees can't conceal a mountain of cement and windows the size of five Wal-Mart stores stacked on top of one another rising behind a grassy berm. One step too close without the right badge, and men in black jump out of nowhere, guns at the ready.

    Past the armed guards and the hydraulic steel barriers, at least 1,700 federal employees and 1,200 private contractors work at Liberty Crossing, the nickname for the two headquarters of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and its National Counterterrorism Center. The two share a police force, a canine unit and thousands of parking spaces.

    Liberty Crossing is at the center of the collection of U.S. government agencies and corporate contractors that mushroomed after the 2001 attacks. But it is not nearly the biggest, the most costly or even the most secretive part of the 9/11 enterprise.
    Just publishing this description of the location of these two centers puts the employees in these centers (and their work) at risk.

    Should the Washington Post be prosecuted for espionage?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    ...the Pentagon Papers?


    well, I guess, they are American, 1st amendment, (at least what I read about em), assuage, foreign national, 1st amendment does not apply.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Here's something for Redress and Hellhound...



    Just publishing this description of the location of these two centers puts the employees in these centers (and their work) at risk.

    Should the Washington Post be prosecuted for espionage?
    Zyphlin has already answered that question. By the way, could you please post a link for that excerpt?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Indeed, I personally find this entire thing fascinating becuase its a case of the modern era needing to be define within the scope of the constitution. The "new media" and the frontier of the internet, blogs, community-based internet news sites, and other type of things are essentially untested and unproven ground and this may be the type of thing that helps solidify their definition as we move deeper into this new century.
    I agree with you on this one. I would prefer to see us draw the lines widely, rather than narrowly, because I believe that greater freedom of speech and openness, as counterintuitive as that might seem, are our allies, not our enemies.

    This gets at who we are, as a country.

    I love this quote from Robert Gates, who I believe responded absolutely appropriately:

    Let me just offer some perspective as somebody who’s been at this a long time. Every other government in the world knows the United States government leaks like a sieve, and it has for a long time. And I dragged this up the other day when I was looking at some of these prospective releases.

    And this is a quote from John Adams: “How can a government go on, publishing all of their negotiations with foreign nations, I know not. To me, it appears as dangerous and pernicious as it is novel." …
    Now, I’ve heard the impact of these releases on our foreign policy described as a meltdown, as a game-changer, and so on. I think -- I think those descriptions are fairly significantly overwrought. The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets.
    I love the quote from John Adams, because it shows that our history of openness goes way back to the origins of this country, and that other nations found it unbelievable. But it is part of who we are.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Zyphlin has already answered that question. By the way, could you please post a link for that excerpt?
    A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com'

    I'd encourage you to read this article. It may change your opinions on the subject.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    well, I guess, they are American, 1st amendment, (at least what I read about em), assuage, foreign national, 1st amendment does not apply.
    Nor does the espionage act and/or the issue of being a traitor, but that hasn't stopped you, has it?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Nor does the espionage act and/or the issue of being a traitor, but that hasn't stopped you, has it?



    I said my bad alread on the traitor thing, but espionage? how would he be exempt?


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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    A hidden world, growing beyond control | washingtonpost.com'

    I'd encourage you to read this article. It may change your opinions on the subject.
    From the article:

    The Post's investigation is based on government documents and contracts, job descriptions, property records, corporate and social networking Web sites, additional records, and hundreds of interviews with intelligence, military and corporate officials and former officials. Most requested anonymity either because they are prohibited from speaking publicly or because, they said, they feared retaliation at work for describing their concerns.
    See, that is investigative journalism. It is entirely different from what Wikileaks does.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I agree with you on this one. I would prefer to see us draw the lines widely, rather than narrowly, because I believe that greater freedom of speech and openness, as counterintuitive as that might seem, are our allies, not our enemies.
    I don't necessarily disagree with you, but at the moment its not clear cut. And as such, it warrants to be looked at. Its ambiguous, so making a clear statement of it being illegal or legal is trying to make a claim of what the baseball game's conclussion is going to be based on what the score is in the 3rd inning. You may luck into the right answer, but ultimately you have to let the game play out. And right now there is a significant difference between the status of "The Press" for Wikileaks comparitive to something like WaPo or NYT. As such, I think action should be persued, because the government shouldn't just shuffle pass this issue due to ambiguity that needs to be clarified in the long run.

    I love the quote from John Adams, because it shows that our history of openness goes way back to the origins of this country, and that other nations found it unbelievable. But it is part of who we are.
    But...John Adams' wasn't another nation, he was our own nation. It shows me that not only has openness been something that's long been in our countries history, but contention amongst our own country on how open is too open is also part of who we are.

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