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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How is investigative journalism different than what Assange has done? How is what wikileaks is doing untirely unlike what the NY Times did in publishing the Pentagon Papers?

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    what did he "investigate"?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How is investigative journalism different than what Assange has done? How is what wikileaks is doing untirely unlike what the NY Times did in publishing the Pentagon Papers?

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    You mean outside of investigative journalists investigating things? The big hint is right there in the name....
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    what did he "investigate"?
    Great minds....
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

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    he basically took stolen government property, and posted it on his blog. Geraldo he aint!
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

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    he basically took stolen government property, and posted it on his blog. Geraldo he aint!
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    what did he "investigate"?
    The New York Times published an already-investigated classified report. How is that different?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    he basically took stolen government property, and posted it on his blog. Geraldo he aint!
    Again, how is this different from what the New York Times did with the Pentagon Papers...and won a pulitzer for doing so. (And, probably, deserve credit for ending a war that should never have started).

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The New York Times published an already-investigated classified report. How is that different?

    which one?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    which one?
    ...the Pentagon Papers?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think that there are many in our current government who would be perfectly happy to see NYT writers and editors tried for espionage. That's alarming.
    That might be the case. Unfortunantely, there's no question the NYT is "the press" and the SCOTUS has deemed them protected from doing such things as Assange did.

    There's a lot of things that people in our government likely think that scare me. Ultimately I realize that I can't let fear of things that are unlikely to have much real affect on anything guide my every move.

    The role of the fourth estate in...holding governmental entities accountable, airing their dirty laundry, keeping them answerable to the voters....it's really critical to maintaining all of our civil liberties.
    Sadly I think the press has been worse and worse at all those things in the past decades. But I agree, we do need that type of thing in theory.

    Do I like Assange? No.
    Do I think he's bungled some things? Absolutely.
    Is he a good person? No.
    Agree

    But none of those things matter, because if we don't support a free/open/transparent government, we start to undermine other basic rights that we consider very important. The principles are more important than the person of Assange.
    None of those things matter in regards to legality, but other things might. For example, whether or not "Wikileaks" could be considered "The Press" does matter.

    Let me put it to you this way.

    If some random guy got sold a ton of classified information, went off on a street corner, and started shouting it out...is he "the press"? Is repeating classified information like that by a random guy "free speech"? Because if Wikileaks isn't considered the press, and is more like a Geocities web page about teddy bears rather than like the NYT, then he's in a similar position as the guy shouting on the corner.

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