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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What message should be sent? That publishing leaked information about government wrongdoing should be punished? Where would that have left Woodward and Bernstein?
    Woodward and Bernstein did not publish classified material. They got almost all of their information from interviews(Woodward still does).
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think the purpose of trying and if possible convicting people is to do justice. If Assange is guilty of crimes, he should be tried, convicted and punished because he is a criminal, not because we don't like him or to send a message, but as a desire to have justice. If it sends a message that is a bonus.

    Deterrment is also part of our legal system.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    So, the people aren't supposed to know what the government is doing on our behalf? It's a fine line, Redress. Cross it on the one side, and troops are endangered. Go too far on the other extreme, and you encourage corruption, abuse of power, and ultimately, the collapse of democracy.
    Correct, there is a fine line. Assange is not some one I trust, nor are other random people to make the determination.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Woodward and Bernstein did not publish classified material. They got almost all of their information from interviews(Woodward still does).
    Those interviews covered material that was considered classified. Whether the document is published in its entirety, or the information is provided in a verbal conversation that includes the details of the information, it's the same, legally speaking.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Deterrment is also part of our legal system.
    I don't think it is the main part of our system, and I think deterrent is where it is least effective.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Those interviews covered material that was considered classified. Whether the document is published in its entirety, or the information is provided in a verbal conversation that includes the details of the information, it's the same, legally speaking.
    What classified information did they publish?

    And are you really equating investigative journalists with a hacker running a website?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    What classified information did they publish?

    And are you really equating investigative journalists with a hacker running a website?
    I'm sorry, my apologies. The journalist who published the Pentagon Papers was Neil Sheehan and they were published in the New York Times. Yes, those papers WERE classified.

    So, did that make the NYT guilty of espionage?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think it is the main part of our system, and I think deterrent is where it is least effective.


    never said it was the main part, it is a significant part however.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I don't think it is the main part of our system, and I think deterrent is where it is least effective.
    It's not deterrment/deterrent. It's DETERRENCE. What, exactly, are you hoping to deter? You want to create a country in which information about government wrongdoing is never leaked, and if it is, those who publish it are guilty of espionage/terrorism?

    Have you really stopped to consider the ramifications of this action and what it would mean for this country in the long run?

    Do you actually believe that the military/federal law enforcement agencies/governmental agencies never make mistakes? Should never be held publicly accountable?

    HOW EXACTLY DO YOU THINK THAT HAPPENS?

    What if the Taguba Report had been classified (because the contents might cause injury to the U.S.'s reputation and/or might endanger military service personnel)?

    Would it have been traitorous to have published stories on the crimes committed at Abu Ghraib?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's not deterrment, it's not deterrent. It's DETERRENCE. What, exactly, are you hoping to deter? You want to create a country in which information about government wrongdoing is never leaked, and if it is, those who publish it are guilty of espionage/terrorism?

    Have you really stopped to consider the ramifications of this action and what it would mean for this country in the long run?

    wait, so manning deserves a medal?
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