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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It just might send a message to other spys.
    Wait...Assaunge is a spy now?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Wait...Assaunge is a spy now?


    word games are lame. He helped the enemy by leaking our secrets. What do you call that?
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    word games are lame. He helped the enemy by leaking our secrets. What do you call that?
    He also helped the rest of the world findout what our government has been doing.

    I have yet to see evidence of how he has helped the enemy in any way beyond making things a bit easier for them to find some information that they were no doubt gathering anyways.

    I find it odd that no one in your position has yet to deny that any of the sites listed in that list could not have been found out in another way just as easily or through someone like Manning directly. At most that list is probably nothing more than just a confirmation of what they already knew.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    He also helped the rest of the world findout what our government has been doing.

    More that he showed how two faced the rest of the world is.


    They now will react differently to us. is this a net gain?



    I have yet to see how he has helped the enemy in any way beyond making things a bit easier for them to find some information that they were no doubt gathering anyways.

    I find it odd that no one in your position has yet to deny that any of the sites listed in that list could not have been found out in another way just as easily or through someone like Manning directly. At most that list is probably nothing more than just a confirmation of what they already knew.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    He also helped the rest of the world findout what our government has been doing.
    One of the terms for doing that is spying. Why do you think spy satellites do? What do you think Julius and Ethel Rosenberg did? Kim Philby? They helped others to find out what a government had been doing. That is what made them spies.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    It just might send a message to other spys.
    I think the purpose of trying and if possible convicting people is to do justice. If Assange is guilty of crimes, he should be tried, convicted and punished because he is a criminal, not because we don't like him or to send a message, but as a desire to have justice. If it sends a message that is a bonus.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Demon of Light View Post
    Your similarly negative attitude towards anarchism suggests that what is really at play here is a distrust of anything that opposes authority. Equating a whistleblower with a terrorist is even more indicative of this subservient attitude.
    I find it an alarming trend. It's as if people have lost the capacity to exercise independent thought.

    When a government begins to classify large numbers of not very important documents, it creates a climate of secrecy. Punishing a muckraker or journalistic outlet for publishing those not-very-secret secrets has a stifling effect on overall criticism of the government. Cockroaches flourish in the dark.

    Our system of government relies on informed voters for its maintenance. Keeping the people in the dark and feeding them bull**** does not lead to greater freedom or success.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    One of the terms for doing that is spying. Why do you think spy satellites do? What do you think Julius and Ethel Rosenberg did? Kim Philby? They helped others to find out what a government had been doing. That is what made them spies.
    So, the people aren't supposed to know what the government is doing on our behalf? It's a fine line, Redress. Cross it on the one side, and troops are endangered. Go too far on the other extreme, and you encourage corruption, abuse of power, and ultimately, the collapse of democracy.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If it sends a message that is a bonus.
    What message should be sent? That publishing leaked information about government wrongdoing should be punished? Where would that have left Woodward and Bernstein?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I find it an alarming trend. It's as if people have lost the capacity to exercise independent thought.

    When a government begins to classify large numbers of not very important documents, it creates a climate of secrecy. Punishing a muckraker or journalistic outlet for publishing those not-very-secret secrets has a stifling effect on overall criticism of the government. Cockroaches flourish in the dark.

    Our system of government relies on informed voters for its maintenance. Keeping the people in the dark and feeding them bull**** does not lead to greater freedom or success.
    There are ways to change the system. Randomly releasing classified material is not one of them. In point of fact, if transparency is your goal, this will work to make things worse, since the US and other governments are going to work harder at securing classified documents and keep them safe.

    Some one has to decide what can and should be secret. The only person whose judgment I absolutely trust is mine(and even that is not really absolute). I do trust our government more than some foreign guy to decide what is best kept secret, especially when that foreign guy has shown that he is hostile to the US.
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