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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Guilty or innocent this is a complete disaster for the us. When I think of all the teeth gnashing that went on in the valery plame case by democrats/liberals/leftists. With this incident...........intense debate on whether or not assange is guilty of sex without a condom. Nothing about the damage to the country or it's interests. Remarkable.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    nothing about the damage to the country or it's interests. Remarkable.
    Julian Assange is not an American citizen. Exactly what is it that you believe he did? And, what longterm damage do you believe has actually been caused?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Julian Assange is not an American citizen. Exactly what is it that you believe he did? And, what longterm damage do you believe has actually been caused?
    If he has achieved those files he published illegally then he should expect to sit a lot of time in prison. Life-time long.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Julian Assange is not an American citizen. Exactly what is it that you believe he did? And, what longterm damage do you believe has actually been caused?
    Oh, just this;
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    November 26, 2010|By Jill Dougherty, CNN Foreign Affairs Correspondent


    Wikileaks' Julian Assange shows a page from the release of Iraq war documents at an October briefing in London.A former U.S. ambassador to Russia tells CNN the impending leaks of diplomatic cables by WikiLeaks could contain highly sensitive information that reveals U.S. negotiating positions and sensitive intelligence as well as confidential views, analyses, instructions and strategy.

    James F. Collins, ambassador to Moscow from 1997 to 2001, and director of the Russia and Eurasia Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, said the expected online disclosure has to be taken seriously.

    "Leaking information of this kind will be detrimental to building the trust among officials necessary to conduct effective and productive diplomacy. It will impede doing things in a normal, civilized way," Collins said.

    He added, "I would think the information they will leak is likely to contain analysis, records of discussions or reporting on confidential conversations between officials or official policy recommendations or suggestions about policy or diplomatic actions."

    A threat by Wikileaks to publish new disclosures has sparked a massive review of diplomatic documents by the State Department. A source tells CNN that every diplomatic mission document, from 2006 to 2009, is under review as the website threatens to release millions of pages of classified embassy information soon.

    The information blitz from WikiLeaks would offer a glimpse into the worldwide communications of the State Department and its 297 embassies, consulates and missions -- through what commonly are referred to as "cables."

    Collins said these are the telegrams used for official instructions, reports and communications from the State Department in Washington to its international posts as well as from those posts back to Washington. Much informal communication today is by e-mail and other kinds of modern communications, he said, "but official instructions to the ambassador tend to come through telegrams which an ambassador can assume have been properly coordinated in Washington."..........
    Then of course there is always the treasure trove of information that benefits al qaeda;
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    US says WikiLeaks release gives Al Qaeda a hit list
    Cables expose worldwide sites considered vital

    British Foreign Secretary William Hague said the disclosure disregarded the safety of millions of people.
    By Sharon Theimer
    Associated Press / December 7, 2010

    Sending your articleYour article has been sent. E-mail| Print| Reprints| Comments (3)Text size – + WASHINGTON — In a disclosure of some of the most sensitive information yet revealed by WikiLeaks, the website has put out a secret cable that lists sites worldwide that the US considers crucial to its national security.

    US officials said the leak amounts to giving a hit list to terrorists.

    Among the locations cited in the diplomatic cable from Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton are undersea communications lines, satellite communication stations, mines, vaccine and antivenin factories, and suppliers of food and manufacturing materials.

    The Pentagon declined to comment yesterday on the details of what it called stolen documents containing classified information. But a spokesman, Colonel David Lapan, called the disclosure damaging and said the 2009 cable gives valuable information to adversaries.

    The State Department echoed the Pentagon’s statement. “Releasing such information amounts to giving a targeting list to groups like Al Qaeda,’’ agency spokesman P.J. Crowley said.

    British Foreign Secretary William Hague condemned the disclosure, telling the BBC it was a reprehensible act committed “without regard to wider concerns of security, the security of millions of people.’’..............
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Oh, just this;
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    Can you synthesize the data you've posted and quantify the damage that has been done? I doubt it.

    Are people going to stop negotiating with us? Of course not.

    Is this embarrassing? Yes.

    Is it detrimental, in any sort of longterm way? Don't be absurd. Of course it isn't.

    Every country has dirty laundry. You think they don't have similar secrets?

    They need us, we need them, it's a relationship of convenience. This is a minor blip on the radar screen.

    You only care because it gives you an axe to grind against Obama.

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    If he has achieved those files he published illegally then he should expect to sit a lot of time in prison. Life-time long.
    For what charge? Did you ever consider that maybe a heavy-handed response isn't the best option? Like I've said before, this is classified information, not TOP SECRET information. There's a difference. A lot of stuff is classified that is actually public information. It's how it is analyzed/reported that contributes to the classification.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Some clarification is needed.

    1. He turned himself in. He was not "arrested" in the classic form of the term with police hunting him down and throwing him in cuffs.

    2. The case for sending him to Sweden is very weak. One of the women in question is a known feminist who believes men dominate women and need to be punished.

    3. And the rule of law has to be followed. This has nothing (in theory) to do with the Wikileaks situation and even in Sweden the case against him is very weak to say the least. Many are saying it is an overzealous prosecutor that is going after him.

    Also dont count on the US getting him at least legally. The US justice department is looking for something to charge him with that does not involve the death penalty (as many on the right want), since no European country would release anyone to the US with the threat of a death sentence.

    And then comes in the lack of credibility the US justice system has in many European countries these days, and the clear political motives behind wanting Assange given over to the US. What law exactly has he broken to be brutally honest? Over 3 million people had access to this information on a daily basis before it was leaked.. it was hardly hugely secret stuff.

    As for the latest leaks.. pft, the Russians already knew that lol, so freaking what.
    Pete, when do you think we will see the documents supporting the left claims that 9/11 was an inside job and that Bush lied to get us into the Iraq War? You would think that with all the documents that Wikileaks has released there surely was documents supporting the left argument on those issues?

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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Pete, when do you think we will see the documents supporting the left claims that 9/11 was an inside job and that Bush lied to get us into the Iraq War? You would think that with all the documents that Wikileaks has released there surely was documents supporting the left argument on those issues?
    Holy ****, the "left" claims 9/11 was an inside job now? When did this happen? I thought it was just a handful of nutjobs along the lines of birthers.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Heavy Duty View Post
    On the right? LOL you libs have been whining about this guy because he exposed Obama and Hillary for the fools and backstabbers they are. So dont try and throw this on the right as it has only hurt those on the left.
    Um last I checked It was the conservative blowhards that were doing all the whining calling for executions and assassinations.
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    Re: Wikileaks founder Julian Assange arrested in London

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Holy ****, the "left" claims 9/11 was an inside job now? When did this happen? I thought it was just a handful of nutjobs along the lines of birthers.
    Councilman is pulling this stuff out of his ass.

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