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Let's stop with the hyperbole.SEC. GATES: First of all, I would say unlike the Pentagon Papers, one of the things that is important, I think, in all of these releases, whether it’s Afghanistan, Iraq or the releases this week, is the lack of any significant difference between what the U.S. government says publicly and what these things show privately, whereas the Pentagon Papers showed that many in the government were not only lying to the American people, they were lying to themselves.
But let me – let me just offer some perspective as somebody who’s been at this a long time. Every other government in the world knows the United States government leaks like a sieve, and it has for a long time. And I dragged this up the other day when I was looking at some of these prospective releases. And this is a quote from John Adams: “How can a government go on, publishing all of their negotiations with foreign nations, I know not. To me, it appears as dangerous and pernicious as it is novel.”
When we went to real congressional oversight of intelligence in the mid-’70s, there was a broad view that no other foreign intelligence service would ever share information with us again if we were going to share it all with the Congress. Those fears all proved unfounded.
Now, I’ve heard the impact of these releases on our foreign policy described as a meltdown, as a game-changer, and so on. I think – I think those descriptions are fairly significantly overwrought. The fact is, governments deal with the United States because it’s in their interest, not because they like us, not because they trust us, and not because they believe we can keep secrets.
Many governments – some governments deal with us because they fear us, some because they respect us, most because they need us. We are still essentially, as has been said before, the indispensable nation. So other nations will continue to deal with us. They will continue to work with us. We will continue to share sensitive information with one another.
Is this embarrassing? Yes. Is it awkward? Yes. Consequences for U.S. foreign policy? I think fairly modest.
Do I agree with all of the information that has been released by Assange? NO. Leaving names on sources in A-stan was irresponsible.
However, having said that, we need to stop overreacting here.
My concern, in all of this, is that there is a fine line between classifying materials and reports to protect our armed forces, and classifying an inordinate amount of information about how our government works, to the point that we are hiding crucial information from the citizens of this country. We are at a point now when so much of what is being done is being classified that it is making it impossible for the average American to make reasonable judgements about the people in positions of power. And, that is NOT GOOD.
We are well over the line into a level of secrecy that has the potential to do our country real damage. Nothing that has been released by Assange is going to make the world fall down around our ears, and we need to stop pretending that he's actually endangered us. He hasn't.
It's far more dangerous to have a government that has lost its accountability to its citizens, and that's far closer to where I think we've found ourselves at this point in history.
Our policies on classified material, frankly, need to be rewritten with the goal of creating greater transparency and accountability in government. This is a gift at a time when it is drastically needed, and we should look at it in that light.
That's my opinion, anyway.
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So what your article states is there might be something in there that may be used against the troops, but no-one knows for certain, realy convicing arguument you got there.The department does not yet know in detail what Wikileaks has published, but officials say they expect the same sort of documents the organization put on the Internet in July about the conflict in Afghan. WikiLeaks posted 77,000 documents from the Afghan database online in that breach of national security.
"To waste, to destroy, our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by rights to hand down to them."~ Theodore Roosevelt (Message to Congress, Dec. 3, 1907)
You don't read do you. My link explains how it works. Give it a read and then let me know if you are still confused.
Also how can he be a traitor if he has no obligation or duty to the US to begin with?
For your viewing pleasure - Merriam Websters defination of traitor
Your right, my bad. Manning, or whatever his name is needs to hang as a traitor, Assuage, needs a bullet in his head as an enemy of the state, who is providing the enemy with information that puts our troops at greater risk than they already are.
Matthew 10:34Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
This thread is not about healthcare. It's about Wikileaks.