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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The inventory is a list. Nothing more.

    Furthermore, as there is no nation in the history of the world that has not engaged, at times, in unethical or abusive things to further its interests, the U.S. is no exception. Of course, like any other sovereign state, the U.S. can and should safeguard its interests.
    Now there's a concept one that is ,strangely, beyond the comprehension of some of our erstwhile american liberals/leftists. Odd.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The Pentagon Papers exposed the government's misleading public statements, among other things. Releasing an inventory of strategic sites has nothing to do with government deception, corruption, illegal activity. It merely provides a convenient "one-stop" location by which the nation's enemies can gain access to the nation's vulnerabilities/areas it feel have strategic importance. There is a world of difference.
    I think this is a reach on your part. Understanding what we consider to be strategic advantages is extremely important in interpreting our policy decisions and the actions of our state department and military.

    Most of the data that's gotten you so atwitter is public information that could (and likely has) already been tallied by our enemies. If it were truly secret and damaging, it would have been classified at a much higher level of secrecy. And, we both know that, Don. Overstating the harm is unhelpful.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    Except that they are in charge and responsible for everything that happens during their administration. You seem not to know that part.
    This could have happened under at least 4 or 5 administrations, because the same situation existed. Putting special blame on the Obama administration for the exploitation of a long-standing security weakness is simply stupid.
    ...................says the partisan liberal.......
    I disagree with your piss poor reasoning, thus I must be a liberal? Someone has been listening to too much Glenn Beck.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Furthermore, as there is no nation in the history of the world that has not engaged, at times, in unethical or abusive things to further its interests, the U.S. is no exception. Of course, like any other sovereign state, the U.S. can and should safeguard its interests.
    I believe it would be in our best interests to focus on closing these classified information breaches and stop waving our sword at a foreign national who hasn't broken (and isn't subject to) our laws.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No he didn't steal anything. Manning stole that information and then gave it to Asaunge. That is not stealing no matter what anyone else says or thinks. It might be recieving stolen material but it is not stealing. There is a difference.
    Somebody stole it and he recieved it either way laws were broken

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Somebody stole it and he recieved it either way laws were broken
    What laws were broken, Honorable Ptif, Esquire? Be specific. And were they broken under our jurisdiction, or in a country in which our laws have zero jurisdiction?

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    What laws were broken, Honorable Ptif, Esquire? Be specific. And were they broken under our jurisdiction, or in a country in which our laws have zero jurisdiction?
    Classified material was released without government permission. A leaker is illegally releasing information.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Somebody stole it and he recieved it either way laws were broken
    Yes laws were broken. But not by wikileaks.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    This could have happened under at least 4 or 5 administrations, because the same situation existed. Putting special blame on the Obama administration for the exploitation of a long-standing security weakness is simply stupid.
    .....and yet, it didn't.



    I disagree with your piss poor reasoning, thus I must be a liberal? Someone has been listening to too much Glenn Beck.
    Nooo, that would be your posts that qualify you as an american liberal/leftist. Don't be afraid of who/what you are. Embrace your liberalness/leftness? Be proud to call yourself an american liberal/leftist. Continue to pretend you are a european when no one is about. It's ok. Just be who/what you wanna' be there big guy.

    As an aside, I don't actually like glenn beck. Continue to demean him all you want.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I believe it would be in our best interests to focus on closing these classified information breaches and stop waving our sword at a foreign national who hasn't broken (and isn't subject to) our laws.
    I disagree. While I strongly support fixing up the vulnerabilities that led to the leaks, sharply curtailing the audience who can receive such info., etc., I believe it is essential for the U.S. to pursue Mr. Assange if it is to effectively deter future conduct along the lines of Wikileaks. A lack of effort to hold Mr. Assange/Wikileaks accountable would undermine prospects for any credible deterrence regime.

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