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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Would seem to me that "in possession of stolen property" ought to be a slam dunk, if they want to bother.
    WikiLeaks founder could be charged under Espionage Act
    Actually in order to charge him with "in possession of stolen property" they would also have to charge every other news media that has re-published what wikileaks has published. They would also have to charge every person that has downloaded what wikileaks has published. If they want any real standing that is.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    So you're blaming him for this is what you're saying?
    Sorry, did i miss something this last couple of years. Did we or did we not elect mr obama? Did the democratic party members tell us our position in the world would improve with said election? Are we now lurching from one increadible "diplomatic disaster" to another?
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The difference is that wikileaks is actually doing it's job of being a watchdog on governments.
    Being a watchdog involves bringing to light abuses of power, corruption, other illegal practices, etc. It does not and never has involved publishing strategic inventories that have no connection whatsoever to unlawful or abusive practices. Being a watchdog also does not entail issuing blackmail threats aimed at interfering with the judicial/legal process.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    P.s. How is this different than the situation with the Pentagon Papers?

    Pentagon Papers - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    It does not and never has involved publishing strategic inventories that have no connection whatsoever to unlawful or abusive practices
    How are you able to make the call that publishing these strategic inventories isn't related to abusive or unlawful practices? Are you actually going to claim that the U.S. wouldn't/hasn't done unethical and/or abusive things to protect those strategic assets?

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    The difference is that wikileaks is actually doing it's job of being a watchdog on governments.

    I actually find it kind of ironic that it takes an outside news type organization to be the watchdog against our government when our own news media does not do so...even though our FF's expected it of them. I guess that shows that all our news media really cares about is the $$'s and not the truth.
    Since the war on terror began, more information than ever before has been labeled as classified. U.S. media outlets are rightfully concerned about being sued/prosecuted for releasing information on governmental abuses.

    I don't think that's a scenario that is good for the American public.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    P.s. How is this different than the situation with the Pentagon Papers?

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    The Pentagon Papers exposed the government's misleading public statements, among other things. Releasing an inventory of strategic sites has nothing to do with government deception, corruption, illegal activity. It merely provides a convenient "one-stop" location by which the nation's enemies can gain access to the nation's vulnerabilities/areas it feel have strategic importance. There is a world of difference.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    Strawman. This has NOTHING to do with the Obama administration, it could just as easily have happened under Bush, it's an exploitation of an existing situation in which many hundreds of thousands of people had access to information that they did not need access to.
    Except that they are in charge and responsible for everything that happens during their administration. You seem not to know that part.

    Have you considered reading the newspaper to get up to speed?
    I read several thank you. That's how I knew this occured during mr obama's administration.


    So. You have zero facts and this is just a thinly veiled attack on a president you don't like in lieu of contributing substantive thought to this thread.

    Duly noted.
    Let's see. I am aware there are important leaks that can and will affect american diplomacy and supporters of the us. It was done because of a private in the us army with a political ax to grind because mr obama didn't live up to his promises to gays (according to said private) and this is all occuring during mr obama's administration which "seems" absolutely inefectual in dealing with the situation. No, I'm pretty sure we all understand just what is happening.


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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    How are you able to make the call that publishing these strategic inventories isn't related to abusive or unlawful practices? Are you actually going to claim that the U.S. wouldn't/hasn't done unethical and/or abusive things to protect those strategic assets?
    The inventory is a list. Nothing more.

    Furthermore, as there is no nation in the history of the world that has not engaged, at times, in unethical or abusive things to further its interests, the U.S. is no exception. Of course, like any other sovereign state, the U.S. can and should safeguard its interests.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Orion View Post

    Am I the only person in this world that thinks that while state security is important, that maybe if countries and officials conducted themselves and their affairs with honesty, integrity, and transparency, that maybe people like Assange wouldn't be able to garner any kind of attention at all?
    Maybe we can all hold hands and sing Kumbaya, too.

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