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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    I agree. Fortunately, none of the information is "top secret." Nonetheless, given the description of the inventory of facilities as being "vital" to U.S. security, Mr. Assange's motives are fully transparent. In releasing information that the U.S. considered "vital," it is clear that his intent is not some high-minded effort to bring transparency to the public, but a narrow pursuit aimed at damaging U.S. interests. No sovereign state can or should allow such willful effort to damage its interests to proceed with impunity.
    It's our data, and we have a right to stop the leaks internally. I'm not sure we have the power, internationally, to stop the data that has already been leaked from being published. I actually think that doing so would damage us more than the leaked data ever would.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Then there is a leak that needs to be stopped. The person giving out this information is breaking the law
    Ya think?

    Bradley Manning - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Pfc. Bradley E. Manning
    Born 1987
    Crescent, Oklahoma
    Nationality American
    Occupation Soldier in the United States Army
    Known for United States diplomatic cables leak
    Wikinews has related news:
    US intelligence analyst arrested over Wikileaks video


    Private First Class Bradley E. Manning (born 1987) is a United States Army soldier who has been arrested and charged with the unauthorized use and disclosure of U.S. classified information.Manning was an intelligence analyst assigned to a support battalion with the 2nd Brigade Combat Team, 10th Mountain Division at Contingency Operating Station Hammer, Iraq. Agents of the U.S. Army Criminal Investigation Command arrested Manning based on information received from federal authorities provided by an American informant, Adrian Lamo, in whom Manning had previously confided.[1][2][3] Lamo said that Manning claimed, via instant messaging, to be the person who had leaked the "Collateral Murder" video of a helicopter airstrike on July 12, 2007, in Baghdad. Additionally, a video of the Granai airstrike and around 260,000 diplomatic cables were released to the whistleblower website Wikileaks.[4][5][6]

    Manning was charged under the Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) with violations of UCMJ Articles 92 and 134, for "transferring classified data onto his personal computer and adding unauthorized software to a classified computer system," and "communicating, transmitting and delivering national defense information to an unauthorized source".[2][7] Manning is currently awaiting an Article 32 hearing.
    http://www.boingboing.net/2010/07/06...ning-wont.html

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    It's our data, and we have a right to stop the leaks internally. I'm not sure we have the power, internationally, to stop the data that has already been leaked from being published. I actually think that doing so would damage us more than the leaked data ever would.
    I think it is important to do everything we can to stop it, within the law, to show that we will not allow assholes with a beef against us to attack us and harm us. He is actively working to harm the US and US interests, and we do have to respond as best we can within the framework of the law.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From the BBC:



    BBC News - List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    This latest leak makes abundantly clear that Mr. Assange is less interested in transparency than in publicizing U.S. vulnerabilities and practices. One is no longer dealing with embarrassing diplomatic cables. Instead, a strategic inventory of sites has been disclosed. This latest leak is of potentially significant value to U.S. enemies, as they have in their possession a list of critical facilities that they could target.

    IMO, no nation can or should allow its critical or vital interests to be threatened with impunity. The U.S. should act either through appropriate legal channels to bring Mr. Assange to justice or, if such options are not available, through covert means so that he can be prosecuted. It should not allow its national security to be undermined without acting to bring an end to that situation.
    I thought the us was supposed to be safer with a democratic administration. Just why are all those "secrets" floating all around the world then? Where are all those european "allies?" Can't they help, or is this just another case of anti-americanism? I'm just not feelin' all the love and respect we were supposed to have after electing mr obama and all.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I thought the us was supposed to be safer with a democratic administration. Just why are all those "secrets" floating all around the world then? Where are all those european "allies?" Can't they help, or is this just another case of anti-americanism? I'm just not feelin' all the love and respect we were supposed to have after electing mr obama and all.
    So you're blaming him for this is what you're saying?

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch View Post
    I thought the us was supposed to be safer with a democratic administration.
    Strawman. This has NOTHING to do with the Obama administration, it could just as easily have happened under Bush, it's an exploitation of an existing situation in which many hundreds of thousands of people had access to information that they did not need access to.

    Just why are all those "secrets" floating all around the world then?
    Have you considered reading the newspaper to get up to speed?

    Where are all those european "allies?" Can't they help, or is this just another case of anti-americanism? I'm just not feelin' all the love and respect we were supposed to have after electing mr obama and all.
    So. You have zero facts and this is just a thinly veiled attack on a president you don't like in lieu of contributing substantive thought to this thread.

    Duly noted.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I think it is important to do everything we can to stop it, within the law, to show that we will not allow assholes with a beef against us to attack us and harm us. He is actively working to harm the US and US interests, and we do have to respond as best we can within the framework of the law.
    He's publishing information that he did not steal. Exactly what rights do you think we have, legally speaking?

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    He's publishing information that he did not steal. Exactly what rights do you think we have, legally speaking?
    Depends on details we do not know as of yet. Did he in any way encourage the stealing or passing on to him of the documents? We he one of the people to help Manning with technical information(remember, Assange's history is as a hacker)? I used the phrase "withing the framework of the law" for a reason. It's not a complicated phrase.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    He's publishing information that he did not steal. Exactly what rights do you think we have, legally speaking?
    Posted by Kandahar, on this thread, matter of fact:

    He's pretty clearly in violation of the Espionage Act, sections 793(b) and 793(c).

    18 U.S.C. 793 : US Code - Section 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information (a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting
    the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the
    information is to be used to the injury of the United States, or to
    the advantage of any foreign nation, goes upon, enters, flies over,
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    That is a small part of the info.

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