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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    R U acting as an apologist for people who are arguably endangering American or friendly Afghan lives?
    Nope I am not apologising for the actions of Wiki leaks


    Any and all of those sites would have been on a target list. The ones in Canada would have been on mine had I wanted to target US energy supplies.

    Oil and gas pipelines, public knowledge, electrical transmission lines, power plants (coal and nuclear), damns, oil export facilities, narrow shipping lanes like the straight of Hormus.

    By god if a group of terrorists did not think about these types of sites as targets they are pretty darn worthless as terrorists.


    Give me a bunch of bombs and detanators along with 10 intelligent people and I could knock out about 15% of US energy supplies just from Canada. I didnt need wiki leaks to inform me of the potential targets in Canada
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
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    By god if a group of terrorists did not think about these types of sites as targets they are pretty darn worthless as terrorists.

    Give me a bunch of bombs and detanators along with 10 intelligent people and I could knock out about 15% of US energy supplies just from Canada. I didnt need wiki leaks to inform me of the potential targets in Canada
    1. We have many stupid young jihadis living in America who shouldn't be given ideas or targets. People like the recent Portland, Oregon Somali Jihadi who pretended to be American.

    2. You can't find 10 intelligent people in all of Canada (except for BC, Alberta and Saskatchewan).

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    The documents that are being leaked are not top-secret. They are classified, which means that there are perhaps 1 million people in the U.S. (out of 300 million) that have access to them.
    IMO, for purposes of better protecting information, that number should be a fraction of what it is. The "need to know" should guide who does/does not have access to such material. Most contractors, most military personnel (all at the lower ranks) should not have access to such data. There is no operational need for them to possess such info.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    And calls for him to be treated as a terrorist, killed etc are not threats?

    What he said is not a threat, but a warning if he is killed, thrown into gitmo etc, that truely US national security information will be released.
    By releasing info. that clearly indicated that it referred to vital installations, it is clear that Mr. Assange is interested not in transparency, but in damaging U.S. interests. That one could obtain at least a significant part of that informatio on one's own through extensive research is irrelevant. The information is in a single inventory and that inventory is based on how U.S. officials assess the importance of various facilities. No nation can allow one to deliberately damage its critical interests with impunity. Neither can the U.S. That Mr. Assange has become somewhat of an information age folk hero is irrelevant.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Does anyone else find it somewhat amusing that the big, bad USA can be tied up in knots by some insignificant guy with a laptop? This certainly shows the rest of the world what a paper tiger the USA really is.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    From the BBC:



    BBC News - List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    This latest leak makes abundantly clear that Mr. Assange is less interested in transparency than in publicizing U.S. vulnerabilities and practices. One is no longer dealing with embarrassing diplomatic cables. Instead, a strategic inventory of sites has been disclosed. This latest leak is of potentially significant value to U.S. enemies, as they have in their possession a list of critical facilities that they could target.

    IMO, no nation can or should allow its critical or vital interests to be threatened with impunity. The U.S. should act either through appropriate legal channels to bring Mr. Assange to justice or, if such options are not available, through covert means so that he can be prosecuted. It should not allow its national security to be undermined without acting to bring an end to that situation.
    Chances are that the terrorists already knew the list or parts of it. 3 million plus people had access to the exact same information in the US, and you are not telling me that at least one of those does not have sympathies for the other side or is greedy...

    This case is totally overblown, especially by the US right. This stuff aint secret, but private.. huge difference.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That information is the property of the United States Government. I would think that it doesn't matter where Assange was at, when he stole it.
    He didn't steal it. He RECEIVED it.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    IMO, for purposes of better protecting information, that number should be a fraction of what it is. The "need to know" should guide who does/does not have access to such material. Most contractors, most military personnel (all at the lower ranks) should not have access to such data. There is no operational need for them to possess such info.
    I think that will be the primary result of this situation, access to such data will be more strictly curtailed. On the other hand, I don't consider a lot of this information to be "secret," strictly speaking.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Does anyone else find it somewhat amusing that the big, bad USA can be tied up in knots by some insignificant guy with a laptop? This certainly shows the rest of the world what a paper tiger the USA really is.
    I personally consider a lot of this to be a huge overreaction. Some of this information, such as the cables between our embassies, is embarrassing, but hardly top secret. This list that people are having a conniption fit about isn't something that a good researcher with an internet connection couldn't have put together.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Catz Part Deux View Post
    I think that will be the primary result of this situation, access to such data will be more strictly curtailed. On the other hand, I don't consider a lot of this information to be "secret," strictly speaking.
    It is not classified as secret but as private. Big difference legally and in reality.
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