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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Either our security is flawed or there is people in the Obama administration leaking this info. Either way Obama needs to fix it

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    We should demand that he be turned over to us, and any country offering safe harbor for him should be dealt with harshly.
    Nah...3 dollar solution...quicker...more efficient...permanent...

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Nah...3 dollar solution...quicker...more efficient...permanent...
    Ah, you're going to make him eat a Big Mac. Good call.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    This evening, The New York Times reported:

    Julian Assange, the beleaguered founder of the anti-secrecy group WikiLeaks, has threatened to release many more confidential diplomatic cables if legal action is taken against him or his organization. Mr. Assange’s threat poses a problem for the Obama administration as it explores ways to prosecute Mr. Assange or the group.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/wo...07assange.html

    Such a threat amounts to nothing less than blackmail. As noted, given his compromising critical national interests, Mr. Assange should be brought to justice either via extradition or through covert action.

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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    He hasn't broken any laws.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Wow, all these leaks, and nothing on the Valerie Plame situation? Hmmm.
    I thought that never happened?
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Either our security is flawed or there is people in the Obama administration leaking this info. Either way Obama needs to fix it
    The documents that are being leaked are not top-secret. They are classified, which means that there are perhaps 1 million people in the U.S. (out of 300 million) that have access to them. That would include any and all federal analysts, investigators, and a hefty percentage of military personnel.

    It's important to understand the difference between classified material and top secret material. There are a ton of documents that are listed as classified that probably shouldn't be. A comparable issue is "law enforcement sensitive" material.

    Boyfriend was telling me that many military personnel have access to this stuff through the base computer systems.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    He hasn't broken any laws.
    He's pretty clearly in violation of the Espionage Act, sections 793(b) and 793(c).
    Quote Originally Posted by 18 U.S.C. § 793 : US Code - Section 793: Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information
    (a) Whoever, for the purpose of obtaining information respecting
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    This evening, The New York Times reported:



    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/07/wo...07assange.html

    Such a threat amounts to nothing less than blackmail. As noted, given his compromising critical national interests, Mr. Assange should be brought to justice either via extradition or through covert action.

    And calls for him to be treated as a terrorist, killed etc are not threats?

    What he said is not a threat, but a warning if he is killed, thrown into gitmo etc, that truely US national security information will be released.
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    Re: List of facilities 'vital to US security' leaked

    So it's a list of things that might be critical to the US...Something that any terrorist could look up without wikileaks "leak". Heck before this leak I could have thought up a few things that would be strategic and of vital importance to the US. Oil piplines would of course be an obvious one considering how much that has been in the news long before wikileaks became such a big deal. Wall Street would be another of course. Any centrally located power hub (or for even more massive damage all of them at once). Major dams could cause more damage in human life and money wise than 9/11 ever even thought of. Taking out a major airport. The White house. Pentagon. Though those last two would be harder to accomplish it is still possible with the right planning and patience. And many more.

    Basically anyone with even a little bit of brain power could think of and locate suitable locations that could and would do more damage than just what is in that list. After 9/11 happened I would often think of ways that could seriously hurt the US. Not because I would do anything stupid like try to hurt my country but so that I could be prepared for most things that could affect me by a terrorist thinking along those lines.
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