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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

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    First, a law still has to be written to specifically make this a traffic violation, and second how the hell is a cop supposed to know if your backup camera is broken?





    If a law is written that it is required equipment on vehicles manufactured on, or after a certain date, then that is the same law that makes it a ticketable offense, if said equipment is inoperable.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Personally, I draw the line at somewhere greater than 1/100th (at best) of the cost-effectiveness of seatbelts.
    Do you argue this same case for airbags and noise-generators (for silent vehicles)?

    We're talking about the auto-industry - a multi-billion dollar industry. We're talking something that costs, off the lot, well into the thousands as it is and is often parceled out over 4 or 6 years of payments. . . How much would something of this nature increase that chunk each month? $5.00? $10.00? IF even that much?

    If people in mass number were that worried about the cost of vehicles rising due to the requirement of these to be in vehicles then surely they could pressure the auto-companies enough to offset it and keep the cost level or even bring it down. . . Does a mass-produced vehicle actually cost $10,000 that's on the sticker? Nope - and the savvy, smart shopper will research and know how to bring this sticker-shock-cost down at the dealing and wheeling.

    And everyone knows that power-steering, anti-lock breaks, power windows and locks, rear wipers and a full audio consul aren't required by law, either - but they're expected to come standard with all vehicles by most.
    How much does all that cost?
    How many or few lives does that save?

    In fact - to save lives by keeping a driver's attention on the road more and more auto-companies are shifting to the steering-consul audio control systems that, surely, cost a pretty penny.

    Obviously saving-lives is important enough.

    But most people don't care about the overall cost of their vehicle in whole - they're worried merely about it in part (each month)
    Most salesmen will happily stuff a contract so full it'll rip open at the seams - and cover that over with pen-striping, hoping no one will notice.

    So obviously the "it might make vehicles more expensive" is a moot point. - Vehicles ARE more expensive and the auto companies and dealers use these types of situations as an excuse to stuff your contract MORE full.

    Tell me my next vehicle purchase will increase *just because of this* - and I'll show you that I can bring the deal DOWN below sticker price and not give a damn about ax extra $100.00 feature that was added in along the way.

    Oh - and we're talking vans and SUV'S
    If someone is worried about *saving money* they wouldn't even be buying one of these expensive land-bohemuth's anyway . . .they'd buy a damned car and save thousands.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Or, you can just be careful.

    What's probably WORSE is people becoming overly dependent on these things and forgetting how to use mirrors and look over your shoulder. My guess? Problems may well increase.
    The problem is that many people are NOT being careful. I am careful when behind the wheel ... more careful than I should have to be cause so many others are not... why should by safety be unnecessarily endangered because people are not paying attention to their driving... they would rather talk on their cell phones, smoke cancer sticks or other activity that takes away from their attention on the road. Just this morning, my wife and I were crossing the street (with the light) when we nearly got hit by an idiot making a left hand turn with a cell phone in his hand. Sure, cameras wouldn't mitigate that fact, but we need to, unfortunately, respond because so many others are not...

    I am not decided on these cameras, but I am leaning on the side of requiring them... heck, I would prefer sensors that alert the driver is something (moving or not) is behind the car when it is in reverse. Many vehicles already have such a function...
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Ya know I never thought that I would hear myself say this, especially considering how much I love technology but....I'm starting to think that people are relying on technology WAY too much. If something does happen to screw up the world and sends us all back to the stone age we're going to be in sorry shape.
    I think the same thing every time the poor girl at the checkout when the scanner doesn't work and she has to manually enter the numbers... she looks completely lost yet when we were kids, checkout girls would run their fingers over the numerical keyboard light lightning...
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    I'm not sure that there ARE more kids run over from people backing up now than there were in the 1950s. Nothing I've seen indicates that that's the case. The difference is that now we have the technology to cheaply and easily prevent it, and we didn't in the 1950s.

    Dismissing it as "just pay attention to your surroundings" overlooks two things: A) The victim is not the person who failed to pay attention, and B) It's easy to trivialize it if you just dismiss it as the actions of a few irresponsible people, but honestly who checks behind their car every time they back up?
    I do, but it is not always possible to see everything, especially once you enter the driver's seat. I would welcome an extra tool to help make the process safer, not only for me, but for those around me.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If a law is written that it is required equipment on vehicles manufactured on, or after a certain date, then that is the same law that makes it a ticketable offense, if said equipment is inoperable.
    How do you figure? That isn't the case at all. The regulation to have them manufactured into the vehicles would be federal in nature, but it would be left to state and local governments to determine if and how to make it a ticketable offense...
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Ya know I never thought that I would hear myself say this, especially considering how much I love technology but....I'm starting to think that people are relying on technology WAY too much. If something does happen to screw up the world and sends us all back to the stone age we're going to be in sorry shape.
    I agree iwth you on this when it comes to 'area sensing' driving systems that intervene on your behalf to keep a distance. By continually removing people FROM the driving-activity people will learn to be less and less aware - and it will create more problems and a less capable society of drivers.

    The other problem I see coming are legal-issues (not concerning this type of back-up visual aid system - but when it comes to driving-aids that break, etc, for you) . . .if your auto comes equipped with one of these more advanced 'distancing' systems (for example) - and it is suppose to break for you when you get too close to the vehicle in front of you - and you start to depend on that more and more - and then if fails (as in - it stops functioning as it should)
    Who's liable. You? Or the system? The auto company?
    I see only liability costs increasing and the average joe being the loser in every situation.

    However, I support these backup-visual systems because it simply acts as an aid where you simply cannot see.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    In backing accidents, it is the personal responsibility of the driver.
    But the driver isn't the one who is at risk. The people behind the car are.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    and a driver will always look in the video camera? could this lead to not paying attention the the camera blindspots, like the side of the vehicle.
    Possibly, but the evidence suggests that the net effect is to prevent accidents.

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    The whole point is accidents will happen. When drivers payed more attention, when parents/gardians paid more attention, the chances of an accident is reduced without the need for technology.
    The statistics do not support this conclusion. There are fewer traffic fatalities now than in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810
    We just as well mandate proximaty radar along with the camara, just to be sure. The technology is available.
    If it's cheap enough to be affordable, and the evidence suggests it significantly improved safety, I wouldn't be opposed to that.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    300 fatalities? In a country of over 300 million, that is nothing.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    My rearview camera is part of my GPS sysem, so it displays on a 6" screen. It's actually very handy. Especially in parking lots for one last look to make sure the guy directly behind you isn't backing out of his parking space at the same time you are. Mine also gives a full 180 view....
    Sounds very similar to the one in my car. Do you have a Nissan/Infiniti by any chance?

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