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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

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    A decent after market camera? Define. You don't need a DSLR Canon here, you need a small, relatively low resolution camera for seeing moderate sized objects. A super high resolution is not required.



    Given that a significant number of cars today come with a visual display already, expect it to cost on average somewhere in between the two given values.

    Come to think of it, this would seem to make it so that each car has a color multimedia display for the rear-view camera of course, but it could also be used for multimedia and GPS. I don't see why the manufacturers wouldn't want to capitalize on possessing these features, given that those things are mostly software driven, and they would have already put down the money for the hardware...



    I think we should be attacking this more than anything else in the proposal.
    Yep, and we all know what a fine record the government has for predicting the costs of their mandates don't we?

    I suggest you look at the cost of some of the after market cameras available like I did.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Yep, and we all know what a fine record the government has for predicting the costs of their mandates don't we?

    I suggest you look at the cost of some of the after market cameras available like I did.
    The manufacturers are ultimately the ones who choose the cameras, given that they fit guidelines. My guess is that they will go as cheap as possible within the restrictions given.

    After-market cameras don't take into account the cut of the pie taken by all the parties between production and final sale. Additionally, if they're mandated for the entire US market mass production can be dramatically increased, which lowers costs further.

    Bottom line: if cameras can be produced cheap to the given guidelines then they will.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    The manufacturers are ultimately the ones who choose the cameras, given that they fit guidelines. My guess is that they will go as cheap as possible within the restrictions given.

    After-market cameras don't take into account the cut of the pie taken by all the parties between production and final sale. Additionally, if they're mandated for the entire US market mass production can be dramatically increased, which lowers costs further.

    Bottom line: if cameras can be produced cheap to the given guidelines then they will.
    I dare you to find a product installed by a car manufacturer that cannot be found cheaper on the open market.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I dare you to find a product installed by a car manufacturer that cannot be found cheaper on the open market.
    Did you read what I said? The bonuses provided by mass production don't start until we've already... started production.

    If you feel you have a strong point you should consider submitting it to the proposal, they outlined various ways to do it in the document itself, which you can find linked in my first post.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Did you read what I said? The bonuses provided by mass production don't start until we've already... started production.

    If you feel you have a strong point you should consider submitting it to the proposal, they outlined various ways to do it in the document itself, which you can find linked in my first post.
    Of course I read it, but my challenge to you was to find a product currently being installed on autos, any product, that could not be found cheaper after market. Auto manufacturers have huge markups on all accessories. They have all those union pensions and health insurance premiums to pay for.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    Of course I read it, but my challenge to you was to find a product currently being installed on autos, any product, that could not be found cheaper after market. Auto manufacturers have huge markups on all accessories. They have all those union pensions and health insurance premiums to pay for.
    And as I said, it's unrealistic to expect prices to stay constant between now and after this proposal is accepted (if it is). Can you even buy cameras directly from the manufacturer after buying a car? I wouldn't know I've never had to. Do you have knowledge of this?

    As for now, I'm going to do some research into where they got those numbers from, and I'll get back to you if I find anything substantive.

    Thanks for the help.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    And as I said, it's unrealistic to expect prices to stay constant between now and after this proposal is accepted (if it is). Can you even buy cameras directly from the manufacturer after buying a car? I wouldn't know I've never had to. Do you have knowledge of this?

    As for now, I'm going to do some research into where they got those numbers from, and I'll get back to you if I find anything substantive.

    Thanks for the help.
    For the FINAL time...I challenged you to find ANY product that you can get cheaper from a manufacturer. That means radios, mirrors, gps systems, fenders, headlights, ANYTHING !

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    When we lived in Fairfield CA, the lady across the street backed over her son in the driveway. He was lucky and only got a scrape on his nose from hitting the pavement. She was a dental hygienist that had a purse full of Vicodin samples. I doubt she would have looked at the camera screen if she had had one.

    I could use one for when I go pick up the band trailer, even though I'm pretty good at just using spatial skills.

    Maybe the cameras will cut down on the number of times that cagers pull into my lane when I'm riding my bike. Probably not. How can you view the screen when you're texting?

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    When we lived in Fairfield CA, the lady across the street backed over her son in the driveway. He was lucky and only got a scrape on his nose from hitting the pavement. She was a dental hygienist that had a purse full of Vicodin samples. I doubt she would have looked at the camera screen if she had had one.

    I could use one for when I go pick up the band trailer, even though I'm pretty good at just using spatial skills.

    Maybe the cameras will cut down on the number of times that cagers pull into my lane when I'm riding my bike. Probably not. How can you view the screen when you're texting?
    The back-up screens only come on when the vehicle is in reverse.

    I would prefer the use of infrared sensors. Many vehicles have them now and they beep if something is behind you while in reverse. Much simpler than a camera and less distracting.

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