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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I mean ****, airbags, people aren't gonna crash 100% of the time! We don't need those.

    Breaks that work? Pffft! People don't need to stop 100% of the time, let's get rid of those, it's government controlling my life!

    Locks? again, why?!?! Its not gonna be alone 100% of the time, lets do away with those too!

    You know what, lets do away with Child locks, again big government, personal responsbility, teach those little brats not to try to open the door!

    Putting in a rear view camera so maybe I can check out that hot blonde in the car behind me, GET OUT OF MY LIFE GOVERNMENT!!! EVIL DOERS!
    Neither locks nor child locks are required by law. This is a pretty silly, hyperbolic rant anyway.

    Besides, the question is never "why shouldn't the government do something?" It's "why SHOULD it do something?" It simply being someone's notion of a "good idea" doesn't cut it.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    Oh really? I didn't know that, I guess my dad's is pretty crap lol.
    Could be. Technology is moving forward at an amazing rate.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Neither locks nor child locks are required by law. This is a pretty silly, hyperbolic rant anyway.

    Besides, the question is never "why shouldn't the government do something?" It's "why SHOULD it do something?" It simply being someone's notion of a "good idea" doesn't cut it.
    Jet must have loved my suggestion then.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Considering the investment is minimal, the technology already exists in many new cars anyways, it seems like a good idea to reduce fatalities and property damage.


    Cameras would cost about $50 per car as well. I think you are seriously over-estimating the cost of the technology.
    $50. a car ?? Are you kidding?? A decent after market camera cost $200 to $300, then you have to either pay for someone to install it or install it yourself. And car manufacturers are famous of accessory markups. You can buy an upgraded radio/cd player for $100, but you'll pay the manufacturer $800 extra for a similar one.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    $50. a car ?? Are you kidding?? A decent after market camera cost $200 to $300, then you have to either pay for someone to install it or install it yourself. And car manufacturers are famous of accessory markups. You can buy an upgraded radio/cd player for $100, but you'll pay the manufacturer $800 extra for a similar one.
    A decent after market camera? Define. You don't need a DSLR Canon here, you need a small, relatively low resolution camera for seeing moderate sized objects. A super high resolution is not required.

    Quote Originally Posted by "The NHTSA proposal I linked that evidently no one reads, Page 13
    However, rearview video is also the most expensive single technology. When installed in a vehicle without any existing visual display screen, rearview video systems are currently estimated to cost consumers between $159 and $203 per vehicle, depending on the location of the display and the angular width of the lens. For a vehicle that already has a suitable visual
    display, such as one found in route navigation systems, the incremental cost of such a system is estimated to be $58 - $88, depending on the angular width of the lens. (We note that the cost may well decrease over time, as discussed below.)
    Given that a significant number of cars today come with a visual display already, expect it to cost on average somewhere in between the two given values.

    Come to think of it, this would seem to make it so that each car has a color multimedia display for the rear-view camera of course, but it could also be used for multimedia and GPS. I don't see why the manufacturers wouldn't want to capitalize on possessing these features, given that those things are mostly software driven, and they would have already put down the money for the hardware...

    Quote Originally Posted by "The NHTSA proposal I linked that evidently no one reads, Page 21
    This language means that the revised regulation could be applied to passenger cars, low-speed vehicles (LSVs), multipurpose passenger vehicles (MPVs), buses (including small school buses and school vans), and trucks with a GVWR of 10,000 pounds or less. Accordingly, we seek comment and data related to the issue of whether, if the agency remains unable to find such incidents, it could reasonably conclude that those vehicles pose no unreasonable risk of backover crashes and whether it would be permissible therefore it to exclude these vehicles from the application of the final rule. The agency invites comment on whether the absence of incidents might reflect operational conditions
    I think we should be attacking this more than anything else in the proposal.
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, do you think that cars would be just as safe if they didn't have rear view mirrors?

    Sure, for the 10% or so who just don't look, and expect the rest of us to get out of the way, it wouldn't matter whether that unused mirror was there or not, but for the other 90%, it's a pretty important safety device, don't you think?
    Is that rediculous comment your idea of an argument, in favor of rear-view cameras?
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    A decent after market camera? Define. You don't need a DSLR Canon here, you need a small, relatively low resolution camera for seeing moderate sized objects. A super high resolution is not required.



    Given that a significant number of cars today come with a visual display already, expect it to cost on average somewhere in between the two given values.

    Come to think of it, this would seem to make it so that each car has a color multimedia display for the rear-view camera of course, but it could also be used for multimedia and GPS. I don't see why the manufacturers wouldn't want to capitalize on possessing these features, given that those things are mostly software driven, and they would have already put down the money for the hardware...



    I think we should be attacking this more than anything else in the proposal.
    A low resolution camera will have greatly reduced visibility in low light conditions and in the rain and fog. It's all about safety, right?
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    A low resolution camera will have greatly reduced visibility in low light conditions and in the rain and fog. It's all about safety, right?
    I'm not talking about a camera with a resolution that doesn't fit the screen, 800x600 video cameras have been very cheap for the past decade, and they easily fit a standard car screen pixel for pixel. Quality of imaging has also drastically increased in recent years, not just the resolution.

    After all, my iPod Touch camera records real time video in HD 720p, a significantly higher resolution than any screen that would be installed as standard in a car, and it's picture quality rivals my stand alone video camera, even in low viability situations. Furthermore, they cost $229, including a 960x640 screen, touch abilities, wifi, the build quality, and the rise in price that comes standard with any Apple product. So cut all that off the price too.

    Are they going to use an iPod camera in cars? No, but it's a good example of how video cameras can be extremely low cost without compromising much of any video quality.

    Low resolution these days means it will fit your old 30" tube television.

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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is that rediculous comment your idea of an argument, in favor of rear-view cameras?
    It was a perfectly reasonable response to:

    That's assuming that people are going to look at the camera, 100% of the time. Rearview mirrors have been on cars almost from the day that cars started being
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    Re: Rear-view cameras on cars could become mandatory

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    It was a perfectly reasonable response to:
    There's your problem Just joking, but I couldn't resist

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