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McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

Again on the below link per my previous post below, the most important question in that poll is shown below. A question that should have been asked in Obama's poll. Note adding the two favors is 29.5% while adding the two oppose is 51% with the rest neutral. What many of you gays don't seem to understand is it is not a matter of a simple majority of military soldiers supporting your view that matters as it might be in an election but rather that those opposing change are significant numbers. The fact so many STRONGLY oppose shows how serious the issue is considered. And no amount of policy changes or sensitivity training is going to make much of a difference for those holding strongly held moral beliefs.

11. All in all, do you strongly favor, favor, oppose, or strongly oppose allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military?

Strongly favor 14.5%
Favor 15%
Neutral 18.7%
Oppose 14.2%
Strongly oppose 36.8%
Decline to answer 0.8%

Military News, benefits, careers, photos, discussions - Military Times HOME
 
I just don't understand why anyone really cares if you are gay in the military. It's not like we are talking the military going Corporal Clinger if DADT is repealed. The same discipline will still apply. I honestly think even as a conservative this is stupid.
 
Blackdog said:
I just don't understand why anyone really cares if you are gay in the military. It's not like we are talking the military going Corporal Clinger if DADT is repealed. The same discipline will still apply. I honestly think even as a conservative this is stupid.
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I don't understand--just as much--why we can't just lift the ban on gays and leave DADT in place.

I think it's more about gays serving, "openly", more than just gays serving.
 
apdst said:
I don't understand--just as much--why we can't just lift the ban on gays and leave DADT in place.

I think it's more about gays serving, "openly", more than just gays serving.
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I know too many that were discharged because someone saw them off post etc. That is why it needs to be repealed. It is used way to liberally. No pun intended, lol.
 
CriticalThought said:
You obviously have not had much exposure to gay people.
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with a low percentage of people overall proclaiming theyre homosexual, the numbers certainly support your assumption of my lifetime exposure to gay people, just as it also supports my comments on the lack of great numbers in more agressive sports/activities/careers overall.

how many gay black belts do you know vs. how many gay hair dressers? its a matter of statistics and thats all.. you seem to feel because you can find one gay person with a bit of masculinity, there must be an even distribution overall in any field.. not true.

have you served your country to know what is and what isnt dispersed in terms of gay soldiers throughout the various occupations? it just might be that a general lack of military exposure on your part clouds your perception, rather than just assuming i have had so limited an encounter with gay people that it must be me in the wrong.

again as i personally have seen.. gay soldiers are are far less likely to be found in more agressive MOS's and more likely to be found in clerical positions and changing DADT will not change this in the least. is it a problem? no it never was and will never be, it just is..
 
WhyteRash said:
with a low percentage of people overall proclaiming theyre homosexual, the numbers certainly support your assumption of my lifetime exposure to gay people, just as it also supports my comments on the lack of great numbers in more agressive sports/activities/careers overall.

how many gay black belts do you know vs. how many gay hair dressers? its a matter of statistics and thats all.. you seem to feel because you can find one gay person with a bit of masculinity, there must be an even distribution overall in any field.. not true.

have you served your country to know what is and what isnt dispersed in terms of gay soldiers throughout the various occupations? it just might be that a general lack of military exposure on your part clouds your perception, rather than just assuming i have had so limited an encounter with gay people that it must be me in the wrong.

again as i personally have seen.. gay soldiers are are far less likely to be found in more agressive MOS's and more likely to be found in clerical positions and changing DADT will not change this in the least. is it a problem? no it never was and will never be, it just is..
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It's a matter of who is out and who is in the closet. It's far, far safer for a gay man to be out as a hairdresser than out as a football player. That is why it appears to individuals like yourself that there are more gay hairdressers than there are gay football players. What you are demonstrating it what is referred to as, "Iran complex", because you are pretending that because they are not publicly out about their sexual orientation that they don't exist. Professions in high contact sports are not very tolerant toward homosexuality and so many gay players hide their sexuality.
 
Vincent said:
The perfect solution: gay military units. It solves every problem both ways! Seriously, think about it. The two issues about repealing don't ask don't tell are (1) will normal men and women be fine with the forced intimacy of the military with homosexuals, and (2) making sure everyone's dealing with openly gay troops without giving gays harrassement. Gay military units means that normal troops won't have any problems, because they won't have to deal with it, and gays won't have any problems because they'll be in their own units.
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They can have different water fountains too, gay germs are icky
 
70s_guy said:
Again on the below link per my previous post below, the most important question in that poll is shown below. A question that should have been asked in Obama's poll. Note adding the two favors is 29.5% while adding the two oppose is 51% with the rest neutral. What many of you gays don't seem to understand is it is not a matter of a simple majority of military soldiers supporting your view that matters as it might be in an election but rather that those opposing change are significant numbers. The fact so many STRONGLY oppose shows how serious the issue is considered. And no amount of policy changes or sensitivity training is going to make much of a difference for those holding strongly held moral beliefs.

11. All in all, do you strongly favor, favor, oppose, or strongly oppose allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military?

Strongly favor 14.5%
Favor 15%
Neutral 18.7%
Oppose 14.2%
Strongly oppose 36.8%
Decline to answer 0.8%

Military News, benefits, careers, photos, discussions - Military Times HOME
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Ever wonder what percentage of whites strongly opposed serving with blacks in WWII?

Bet it was a lot higher than the 36.8% who now strongly oppose gays openly serving. But they were integrated anyway. That's what will happen in this situation, too. Common sense (the quality that some of you ignorantly call political correctness) and fairness will prevail.

The people who you claim may be negatively impacted because of their 'strongly held moral beliefs' are fools if they don't already know they are serving with gay people. Is it morally superior to serve with gays only if you don't know exactly which troops are gay?
 
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tryreading said:
Ever wonder what percentage of whites strongly opposed serving with blacks in WWII?

Bet it was a lot higher than the 36.8% who now strongly oppose gays openly serving. But they were integrated anyway. That's what will happen in this situation, too. Common sense (the quality that some of you ignorantly call political correctness) and fairness will prevail.

The people who you claim may be negatively impacted because of their 'strongly held moral beliefs' are fools if they don't already know they are serving with gay people. Is it morally superior to serve with gays only if you don't know exactly which troops are gay?
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Didn't you hear about all those wars we lost because blacks and whites served together? And all the other wars that every country who has allowed gays to serve openly has lost?
 
WhyteRash said:
with a low percentage of people overall proclaiming theyre homosexual, the numbers certainly support your assumption of my lifetime exposure to gay people, just as it also supports my comments on the lack of great numbers in more agressive sports/activities/careers overall.

how many gay black belts do you know vs. how many gay hair dressers? its a matter of statistics and thats all.. you seem to feel because you can find one gay person with a bit of masculinity, there must be an even distribution overall in any field.. not true.

have you served your country to know what is and what isnt dispersed in terms of gay soldiers throughout the various occupations? it just might be that a general lack of military exposure on your part clouds your perception, rather than just assuming i have had so limited an encounter with gay people that it must be me in the wrong.

again as i personally have seen.. gay soldiers are are far less likely to be found in more agressive MOS's and more likely to be found in clerical positions and changing DADT will not change this in the least. is it a problem? no it never was and will never be, it just is..
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I know many more gay people than average, and I find that among gay men, those who are into aggressive sports far outweighs those of the more hollywood stereotype gay. I am from a small rural town, and most of the gay guys here are redneck gays, into pickups, and hunting and things like that.
 
Deuce said:
Didn't you hear about all those wars we lost because blacks and whites served together? And all the other wars that every country who has allowed gays to serve openly has lost?
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We ought to keep our gays at home in the kitchen and away from those nasty foreign theaters. We'd win all our wars, and Navy and the 70s guy could relax their sphincters a little.
 
Redress said:
I am from a small rural town, and most of the gay guys here are redneck gays, into pickups, and hunting and things like that.
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ROFL. I use to live with one of those.

I'm geek gay, the easiest kind of gay to be since geeks usually don't get girls anyways. :)
 
Blackdog said:
I know too many that were discharged because someone saw them off post etc. That is why it needs to be repealed. It is used way to liberally. No pun intended, lol.
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Yeah and if the ban were lifted on gays and DADT redefined, it wouldn't be an issue. Afterall, the effort is being made to lift DADT, not the actual ban on gays. Personally, I think the DADT abolitionists are painting themselves into a corner and don't even know it, because of a serious lack of how the system within the armed forces works.
 
apdst said:
Yeah and if the ban were lifted on gays and DADT redefined, it wouldn't be an issue. Afterall, the effort is being made to lift DADT, not the actual ban on gays. Personally, I think the DADT abolitionists are painting themselves into a corner and don't even know it, because of a serious lack of how the system within the armed forces works.
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The system would work best simply by removing DADT and any language about gays. Treat people as people, not as some label. Put every one in the military on an even footing.
 
Redress said:
I am from a small rural town, and most of the gay guys here are redneck gays, into pickups, and hunting and things like that.
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:prof You forgot penis.
 
Looks like next war we get to bitch-slap somebody.
 
CriticalThought said:
Redress hit the nail on the head. You obviously have not had much exposure to gay people. I have a black belt in Taekwondo which is pretty far removed from Tennis.

The only sport that I think is strictly hetero is probably wrestling, and that is because it is already too damn gay of a sport to need any gays. ;)
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Not really, Just sayin. :shrug: :2razz:
 
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