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They take wrestling very seriously in Turkey.... Where's the olive oil?
Mmmm mmmm. I certainly do need to visit Turkey more often.
They take wrestling very seriously in Turkey.... Where's the olive oil?
I just don't understand why anyone really cares if you are gay in the military. It's not like we are talking the military going Corporal Clinger if DADT is repealed. The same discipline will still apply. I honestly think even as a conservative this is stupid.
I don't understand--just as much--why we can't just lift the ban on gays and leave DADT in place.
I think it's more about gays serving, "openly", more than just gays serving.
You obviously have not had much exposure to gay people.
with a low percentage of people overall proclaiming theyre homosexual, the numbers certainly support your assumption of my lifetime exposure to gay people, just as it also supports my comments on the lack of great numbers in more agressive sports/activities/careers overall.
how many gay black belts do you know vs. how many gay hair dressers? its a matter of statistics and thats all.. you seem to feel because you can find one gay person with a bit of masculinity, there must be an even distribution overall in any field.. not true.
have you served your country to know what is and what isnt dispersed in terms of gay soldiers throughout the various occupations? it just might be that a general lack of military exposure on your part clouds your perception, rather than just assuming i have had so limited an encounter with gay people that it must be me in the wrong.
again as i personally have seen.. gay soldiers are are far less likely to be found in more agressive MOS's and more likely to be found in clerical positions and changing DADT will not change this in the least. is it a problem? no it never was and will never be, it just is..
The perfect solution: gay military units. It solves every problem both ways! Seriously, think about it. The two issues about repealing don't ask don't tell are (1) will normal men and women be fine with the forced intimacy of the military with homosexuals, and (2) making sure everyone's dealing with openly gay troops without giving gays harrassement. Gay military units means that normal troops won't have any problems, because they won't have to deal with it, and gays won't have any problems because they'll be in their own units.
Again on the below link per my previous post below, the most important question in that poll is shown below. A question that should have been asked in Obama's poll. Note adding the two favors is 29.5% while adding the two oppose is 51% with the rest neutral. What many of you gays don't seem to understand is it is not a matter of a simple majority of military soldiers supporting your view that matters as it might be in an election but rather that those opposing change are significant numbers. The fact so many STRONGLY oppose shows how serious the issue is considered. And no amount of policy changes or sensitivity training is going to make much of a difference for those holding strongly held moral beliefs.
11. All in all, do you strongly favor, favor, oppose, or strongly oppose allowing gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military?
Strongly favor 14.5%
Favor 15%
Neutral 18.7%
Oppose 14.2%
Strongly oppose 36.8%
Decline to answer 0.8%
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Ever wonder what percentage of whites strongly opposed serving with blacks in WWII?
Bet it was a lot higher than the 36.8% who now strongly oppose gays openly serving. But they were integrated anyway. That's what will happen in this situation, too. Common sense (the quality that some of you ignorantly call political correctness) and fairness will prevail.
The people who you claim may be negatively impacted because of their 'strongly held moral beliefs' are fools if they don't already know they are serving with gay people. Is it morally superior to serve with gays only if you don't know exactly which troops are gay?
with a low percentage of people overall proclaiming theyre homosexual, the numbers certainly support your assumption of my lifetime exposure to gay people, just as it also supports my comments on the lack of great numbers in more agressive sports/activities/careers overall.
how many gay black belts do you know vs. how many gay hair dressers? its a matter of statistics and thats all.. you seem to feel because you can find one gay person with a bit of masculinity, there must be an even distribution overall in any field.. not true.
have you served your country to know what is and what isnt dispersed in terms of gay soldiers throughout the various occupations? it just might be that a general lack of military exposure on your part clouds your perception, rather than just assuming i have had so limited an encounter with gay people that it must be me in the wrong.
again as i personally have seen.. gay soldiers are are far less likely to be found in more agressive MOS's and more likely to be found in clerical positions and changing DADT will not change this in the least. is it a problem? no it never was and will never be, it just is..
Didn't you hear about all those wars we lost because blacks and whites served together? And all the other wars that every country who has allowed gays to serve openly has lost?
I am from a small rural town, and most of the gay guys here are redneck gays, into pickups, and hunting and things like that.
I know too many that were discharged because someone saw them off post etc. That is why it needs to be repealed. It is used way to liberally. No pun intended, lol.
Yeah and if the ban were lifted on gays and DADT redefined, it wouldn't be an issue. Afterall, the effort is being made to lift DADT, not the actual ban on gays. Personally, I think the DADT abolitionists are painting themselves into a corner and don't even know it, because of a serious lack of how the system within the armed forces works.
I am from a small rural town, and most of the gay guys here are redneck gays, into pickups, and hunting and things like that.
rof You forgot penis.
I wonder how they feel about truck nuts.
Who do you think invented them? :lol:
"pink" flanel wearing rednecks with bedazzled giant belt buckles?
Looks like next war we get to bitch-slap somebody.
I didn't decide to like poon tang, poon tang decided to like me.
Redress hit the nail on the head. You obviously have not had much exposure to gay people. I have a black belt in Taekwondo which is pretty far removed from Tennis.
The only sport that I think is strictly hetero is probably wrestling, and that is because it is already too damn gay of a sport to need any gays.
Not really, Just sayin. :shrug: :2razz: