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McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

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Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

openly in the military.

In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.
 
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Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

openly in the military.

In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.

Why does Navy Pride fear gays so badly?
 
What Soldier is going to think "Well I don't want to work around gays, so I'm going to leave the Army where I've spent my career and enter a job market which has 10% unemployment giving up all the pay and benefits of my current job, and if I'm something like infantry I have no civilian marketable job skills, and on top of that people can be openly gay in the civilian world anyway so its not like I'm getting away from the reason I left the Army in the first place."
 
Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

openly in the military.

In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.

well - everyone says we need to downsize the military :)

"Troop Exodus" - for those already in the service? A GREAT way to **** over their careers! Good luck (lol) and good bye.

If people aren't able to focus on their duties in light of change and challenge they they aren't doing their jobs and are purely a liability and should feel ashamed.
 
The perfect solution: gay military units. It solves every problem both ways! Seriously, think about it. The two issues about repealing don't ask don't tell are (1) will normal men and women be fine with the forced intimacy of the military with homosexuals, and (2) making sure everyone's dealing with openly gay troops without giving gays harrassement. Gay military units means that normal troops won't have any problems, because they won't have to deal with it, and gays won't have any problems because they'll be in their own units.
 
From Adm. Mullen's testimony:

"Our study looked at 35 other militaries that chose to permit open service, including those of our staunchest allies," he said. “In no instance was there widespread panic or mass resignations or wholesale disregard for discipline and restraint.
 
That old bigot will keep requesting reports and panels and commissions to study its possible effects as long as he can. This is ridiculous. The military is far more positive toward integration of open homosexuals than it was toward integration of blacks when that decision was made. There might be a few bumps on the road, but almost everyone, sans this hateful toadie, thinks that it is time for this policy to go.
 
Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

openly in the military.

In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.

This old fossil, McCain, a once impressive and honorable man, has made a joke of himself in several areas, like his actions during his recent Senate election, and his silly behavior in the 2008 Presidential campaign. Now the openly-gay-in-the-military thing. Does he not know he served with gay men during the Vietnam war?

Its telling, this guy is belittled nationally by his own wife, who stars in her own commercial directly mocking him on the gay issue.
 
What does a dinosaur like McCain dimly remember?

Well, considering the record of failure the leftists have on most matters, and hostility to the military, they best leave the military alone. Don't fix what ain't broken.

BTW... the journOlists are telling only their side of the story... as usual.

Along with the Marine Corps commander, the chiefs of the US Army and the Air Force also said ending the ban during a war carried risks,
http://www.google.com/hostednews/af...ocId=CNG.2a8de8a8d715bbf5472f2a7f29d9a3be.761



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Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

openly in the military.

In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.

Southerners said the same thing about cotton plantations when Lincoln freed the slaves.
 
Southerners said the same thing about cotton plantations when Lincoln freed the slaves.

You do know that gays can serve in the military. They simply don't want them to be open about it because men live in close quarters and this can be for long periods. The place isn't a social experiment, it's a professional military of men trained to neutralize the enemy. They don't need friction amongst one another.

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You do know that gays can serve in the military. They simply don't want them to be open about it because men live in close quarters and this can be for long periods. The place isn't a social experiment, it's a professional military of men trained to neutralize the enemy. They don't need friction amongst one another.

Gays can serve in the military as long as they don't admit they're gay....or engage in any conduct that makes their "gayness" apparent. Seems to me we've already fought this battle a looong time ago -- Blacks in the Military. Can you not see the similarities?
 
The perfect solution: gay military units. It solves every problem both ways! Seriously, think about it. The two issues about repealing don't ask don't tell are (1) will normal men and women be fine with the forced intimacy of the military with homosexuals, and (2) making sure everyone's dealing with openly gay troops without giving gays harrassement. Gay military units means that normal troops won't have any problems, because they won't have to deal with it, and gays won't have any problems because they'll be in their own units.

An argument for segregation? Did I go back in time to the 1960's?
 
You do know that gays can serve in the military. They simply don't want them to be open about it because men live in close quarters and this can be for long periods. The place isn't a social experiment, it's a professional military of men trained to neutralize the enemy. They don't need friction amongst one another.

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I have a question for you Zimmer.

Military unit cohesion is based on trust, right? How can you trust someone if they are forced to hide who they are from you?

I have another question for you.

Why should a straight person be able to be open and honest about themselves but a gay person doing the same gets discharged?

One last question:

The Plum Line's Greg Sargent points out that "84 percent of Marine combat corps combat arms units who said they thought they'd worked with homosexual service-members in the past found the experience either very good, good, or neutral,"

Even combat marines are overwhelmingly not against it, when you ask the guys who've actually served with homosexuals. Why should we listen to the small minority who hasn't?

An argument for segregation? Did I go back in time to the 1960's?

There's pretty much nothing from the right wingers that surprises me anymore.
 
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The perfect solution: gay military units. It solves every problem both ways! Seriously, think about it. The two issues about repealing don't ask don't tell are (1) will normal men and women be fine with the forced intimacy of the military with homosexuals, and (2) making sure everyone's dealing with openly gay troops without giving gays harrassement. Gay military units means that normal troops won't have any problems, because they won't have to deal with it, and gays won't have any problems because they'll be in their own units.
You're intentionally making that sound exactly like the segregated units in the military until the early-mid 1900's, aren't you...
 
You're intentionally making that sound exactly like the segregated units in the military until the early-mid 1900's, aren't you...

Gun picture in signature, very conservative label, recent registration, suspiciously nutty posting...

Yeah, I think you and I have drawn the same conclusion, a conclusion which we can't actually post here.
 
Gun picture in signature, very conservative label, recent registration, suspiciously nutty posting...

Yeah, I think you and I have drawn the same conclusion, a conclusion which we can't actually post here.
Wait, what?

Assumptions...

I was guessing that he was doing a tongue-in-cheek "suggestion" to be sarcastic - mainly because that's what I would have meant by a post like that...

But then, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt far too often.
 
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I served for seven years, Army, in very good units. While there will be issues and adjustments, I do not think there will be a mass exodus. FYI, in the higher-testosterone units, the only gays that will succeed there will be those who choose to stay quiet and subdued about issues of their sexuality anyway.
 
You do know that gays can serve in the military. They simply don't want them to be open about it because men live in close quarters and this can be for long periods. The place isn't a social experiment, it's a professional military of men trained to neutralize the enemy. They don't need friction amongst one another.

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Every enlightened nation in the world has open service. This is not an experiment, it's about the US Military joining the 20th century.
 
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