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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Say, NP, the Navy overall had the highest favorability towards repeal of DADT, followed closely by the Coast Guard. Does this change your opinion at all, seeing as how you're a boat jockey yourself? You have often remarked that if the military was for it, you'd be ok with it. I ask because it appears as though you're backing off on that.
    Navy Pride is a liar. Someone might be tempted to give me an infraction for saying so, but it's an objective fact. He was demanding that others commit to backing down from the issue if it turned out that the military was against repeal because he claimed that he was going to back down from opposing repeal if it turned out the military supported it. He has been completely dishonest. NP's word is worth absolutely nothing.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Irrelevant partisan nonsense.
    Relevant, for if the truth is what you seek, the Libs aren't well versed in it.

    This study shows that the vast majority of units surveyed suffered no ill effects. Even combat units.
    Yeah, and how many of these "studies" have proven wrong over time? Our government is awash in such prognostications.


    Other long-term societal norms:
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    Nice try. Homosexuality will never be a "norm", and at the moment Gays can serve.

    "We've always done it that way" is not sufficient grounds to deny people rights.
    What rights are being denied. They can serve, up to the point they are flagrant about it. Even then they can serve. The wiki-leaker was an openly gay member of the US Military. Look where that got us.

    See, the scary part is that you think this is some absurd idea. What? Trannies get equal rights? NOT IN MY AMERICA!!!
    I simply don't think the military should be some kind of social experiment. At this moment and for 17-years gays could and have served.

    What video?
    I posted one earlier. You know, the story the journOlists fail to tell.

    So your new argument is "congress can't get the votes therefore we shouldn't do it?" Oh, well, I guess you support Obamacare now because there's not enough votes to repeal it!!
    It wasn't an argument, it was a simple statement of fact. Nothing more, nothing less, and also something little reported by the journOlists.


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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Relevant, for if the truth is what you seek, the Libs aren't well versed in it.
    Conservatives are just as good at telling the truth as libs are.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The newer, more direct surveys, showe that over 60% of those in th line units dd not think it was a good idea. There will be enormous peer pressure in those units against gays who are too open about it. Their fellow soldiers will determine what is "too open". Trust me.

    I am for the repeal of DADT btw. Have said so in other threads. But it will have its own special dynamics when implemented.
    i think youll find that gays will migrate toward certain occupations naturally, clerical/technical/etc. but generally not signing up to be 11B's out of the gate. similarly, not many gay kids on the football team, but the tennis team is usually suspect.
    so it may be that the fears of some people having to compete with a gay person in sexuality, will be lessened the more they "man up".. lol

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by WhyteRash View Post
    i think youll find that gays will migrate toward certain occupations naturally, clerical/technical/etc. but generally not signing up to be 11B's out of the gate. similarly, not many gay kids on the football team, but the tennis team is usually suspect.
    so it may be that the fears of some people having to compete with a gay person in sexuality, will be lessened the more they "man up".. lol
    I think you'll find that your preconceived stereotypes aren't as accurate as you think.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by WhyteRash View Post
    ...not many gay kids on the football team...l
    You would be really surprised.

    In both my high school and college, I knew the closeted gays on the football team.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    I see the usual mob of gays on this board are predictably gang responding to Navy Pride's thread with their usual knee jerk political correctness strategy of sounding appalled and dismayed. I guess they think that is going to make it seem like their opinions are in the majority. Well sorry to bring back to reality you in that mob. Link to the Military Times poll that asked real questions the Obama appointed military team should have asked and instead limited their poll to suit their ends. Just as John McCain is now making light of. Military members, the most important opinions in that change see changes to dadt much differently than those pushing the change in Obama's camp. And of course all members of his appointed inner circle were filtered by high-level members of LGBT and are serving him under various political pressures.

    Military News, benefits, careers, photos, discussions - Military Times HOME

    Snippet from the below link:

    "The poll, sponsored by the Center for Military Readiness and the Military Culture Coalition, found the largest group of respondents – 48 percent – opposes repealing the 1993 law. Forty-five percent favored repealing Don't Ask."

    "Former Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Carl Mundy, representing the Flag and General Officers of the Military, which has opposed repeal of Don't Ask, said he took heart from a poll finding that showed most voters view the military as a specialized segment of society. Repealing Don't Ask would have an adverse impact on military discipline, unit cohesion and military recruiting and retention, Mundy added."

    New Poll Finds Most Oppose DADT Repeal

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    "Wicker also raised questions about troops’ sentiments by noting that the Pentagon study group anecdotally suggested that “the majority of views expressed” in online comments, focus groups and open forums with service members “were against the repeal of the current ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy

    DADT Survey: 63% of Military Families Want to Keep "Don't Ask, Don't Tell' | ThirdAge
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    I notice that half the respondants claimed to identify a gay person by "speech, behavior or appearance". So these people acted on their notions of steryotypes, rather than actual information. Plus another 11% based it on hearsay. That surely produces accurate information. Only 14% based their impression on being told by the person in question, which is the only reliable source of such information.

    This refers to the same poll.

    The poll discussed in this counts replies from less than 50,000 people, as opposed to more than twice that in the poll which the top military leaders are using.

    I certainly can't speak to any bias in these polls, either. It's very easy to choose who to poll, and who not to. These two polls do not provide enough information about their samples to be reliable.

    But all that aside, here's the real point. The fear of an unknown variable causing unspecified problems is not enough cause to discriminate. There is no actual proof that repealing DADT will harm morale, or the ability of a unit to fight. There's only a suspicion that it might. You can suspect all you want, but you need proof. Being afraid that something could happen doesn't mean that anything will.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by 70s_guy View Post
    I see the usual mob of gays on this board are predictably gang responding to Navy Pride's thread with their usual knee jerk political correctness strategy of sounding appalled and dismayed.
    Yes, clearly only a gay person could possibly find DADT to be discriminatory.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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