Yeah, and how many of these "studies" have proven wrong over time? Our government is awash in such prognostications.This study shows that the vast majority of units surveyed suffered no ill effects. Even combat units.
Nice try. Homosexuality will never be a "norm", and at the moment Gays can serve.Other long-term societal norms:
Women being property
Black people being property
Using leeches in medical procedures
What rights are being denied. They can serve, up to the point they are flagrant about it. Even then they can serve. The wiki-leaker was an openly gay member of the US Military. Look where that got us."We've always done it that way" is not sufficient grounds to deny people rights.
I simply don't think the military should be some kind of social experiment. At this moment and for 17-years gays could and have served.See, the scary part is that you think this is some absurd idea. What? Trannies get equal rights? NOT IN MY AMERICA!!!
I posted one earlier. You know, the story the journOlists fail to tell.What video?
It wasn't an argument, it was a simple statement of fact. Nothing more, nothing less, and also something little reported by the journOlists.So your new argument is "congress can't get the votes therefore we shouldn't do it?" Oh, well, I guess you support Obamacare now because there's not enough votes to repeal it!!
As you were.
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so it may be that the fears of some people having to compete with a gay person in sexuality, will be lessened the more they "man up".. lol
I see the usual mob of gays on this board are predictably gang responding to Navy Pride's thread with their usual knee jerk political correctness strategy of sounding appalled and dismayed. I guess they think that is going to make it seem like their opinions are in the majority. Well sorry to bring back to reality you in that mob. Link to the Military Times poll that asked real questions the Obama appointed military team should have asked and instead limited their poll to suit their ends. Just as John McCain is now making light of. Military members, the most important opinions in that change see changes to dadt much differently than those pushing the change in Obama's camp. And of course all members of his appointed inner circle were filtered by high-level members of LGBT and are serving him under various political pressures.
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Snippet from the below link:
"The poll, sponsored by the Center for Military Readiness and the Military Culture Coalition, found the largest group of respondents – 48 percent – opposes repealing the 1993 law. Forty-five percent favored repealing Don't Ask."
"Former Marine Corps Commandant Gen. Carl Mundy, representing the Flag and General Officers of the Military, which has opposed repeal of Don't Ask, said he took heart from a poll finding that showed most voters view the military as a specialized segment of society. Repealing Don't Ask would have an adverse impact on military discipline, unit cohesion and military recruiting and retention, Mundy added."
New Poll Finds Most Oppose DADT Repeal
Snippet from the below link:
"Wicker also raised questions about troops’ sentiments by noting that the Pentagon study group anecdotally suggested that “the majority of views expressed” in online comments, focus groups and open forums with service members “were against the repeal of the current ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ policy
DADT Survey: 63% of Military Families Want to Keep "Don't Ask, Don't Tell' | ThirdAge
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The poll discussed in this counts replies from less than 50,000 people, as opposed to more than twice that in the poll which the top military leaders are using.
I certainly can't speak to any bias in these polls, either. It's very easy to choose who to poll, and who not to. These two polls do not provide enough information about their samples to be reliable.
But all that aside, here's the real point. The fear of an unknown variable causing unspecified problems is not enough cause to discriminate. There is no actual proof that repealing DADT will harm morale, or the ability of a unit to fight. There's only a suspicion that it might. You can suspect all you want, but you need proof. Being afraid that something could happen doesn't mean that anything will.
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