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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Good question, especially for Obama and most Democrats. They hide and lie about who they are and what they want to do.

    Unit cohesion isn't disrupted because someone has to keep their unusual sexual orientation to themselves. I use "unusual" because it's not usual. Homosexuality isn't the norm and can cause friction as the Commaders have testified.


    Not too complicated; because it's the societal norm for eons. If we have gays, why not have transvestites? They're people too.
    If you're basing what is the "norm" and what isn't based on how long it's been around perhaps you should read up on history? Homosexuality has been around for eons also.

    BTW, why not allow transvestites to serve?
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Wait, what?

    Assumptions...

    I was guessing that he was doing a tongue-in-cheek "suggestion" to be sarcastic - mainly because that's what I would have meant by a post like that...

    But then, I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt far too often.
    It was supposed to be funny, since people are repeatedly comparing DADT to racial segregation, which I find ridiculous. Africans are a race of people (who are mostly against gay marriage actually), and homosexuals are anyone who decides to lead a certain lifestyle. Of course, the flip side of that coin is now, if you're in any history class, you'll hear plenty about all japanese units or all black units that recieved dozens of medals during the world wars. Wouldn't it be hilarious if in fifty years, someone was reading about all-gay units?

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    It was supposed to be funny, since people are repeatedly comparing DADT to racial segregation, which I find ridiculous. Africans are a race of people (who are mostly against gay marriage actually), and homosexuals are anyone who decides to lead a certain lifestyle. Of course, the flip side of that coin is now, if you're in any history class, you'll hear plenty about all japanese units or all black units that recieved dozens of medals during the world wars. Wouldn't it be hilarious if in fifty years, someone was reading about all-gay units?
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.
    WTF! Has McCain completely flipped his lid? Now he wants to give a referendum to our troops? In the entire history of the US military we have never done anything that stupid. Not with the integration of African Americans, Not with the integration of women. Never. He has gone senile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The wrong question was asked my left wing friend...The question is not how do we cancel DADT its should DADT be canceled.......You will get amd entirely different answer if you ask the latter..........
    You want to give troops a referendum on military policy. Are you serously that anti gay?

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You want to give troops a referendum on military policy. Are you seriously that anti gay?
    I was under the impression that the study was more along the lines of "we're going to do this, people, and we want to know what effect it will have", not "should we do this?".

    The military is NOT a democracy.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    You want to give troops a referendum on military policy. Are you serously that anti gay?
    Fear is a strong motivator. The man is that afraid of gays.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    As I have mentioned in the thread. I am ex-military, conservative, and think we need to repeal DADT and get on with more important issues. But for the life of me, McCain just won another six years, and should he choose to run again, will be as a cadaver. Why he is pushing a referendum vote within the military, and warning of an exodus, makes no sense right now.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Good question, especially for Obama and most Democrats. They hide and lie about who they are and what they want to do.
    Irrelevant partisan nonsense.

    Unit cohesion isn't disrupted because someone has to keep their unusual sexual orientation to themselves. I use "unusual" because it's not usual. Homosexuality isn't the norm and can cause friction as the Commaders have testified.
    This study shows that the vast majority of units surveyed suffered no ill effects. Even combat units.


    Not too complicated; because it's the societal norm for eons.
    Other long-term societal norms:
    Women being property
    Black people being property
    Human sacrifice
    Using leeches in medical procedures

    "We've always done it that way" is not sufficient grounds to deny people rights.


    If we have gays, why not have transvestites? They're people too.
    See, the scary part is that you think this is some absurd idea. What? Trannies get equal rights? NOT IN MY AMERICA!!!


    Watch the video. And strange with all this support, congress doesn't have the votes to pass it.
    What video?
    So your new argument is "congress can't get the votes therefore we shouldn't do it?" Oh, well, I guess you support Obamacare now because there's not enough votes to repeal it!!


    ROTFLOL... What... that we usually disagree with the socialists?
    You heard it here folks. Gays serving openly is socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    The newer, more direct surveys, showe that over 60% of those in th line units dd not think it was a good idea. There will be enormous peer pressure in those units against gays who are too open about it. Their fellow soldiers will determine what is "too open". Trust me.

    I am for the repeal of DADT btw. Have said so in other threads. But it will have its own special dynamics when implemented.
    No, I'm not going to "trust you" because the survey says otherwise. Marine combat units were the most against repeal, but 84% of marine combat units that had served with homosexuals said it didn't matter. Sorry man, I'm going with the guys who have actual experience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    As I have mentioned in the thread. I am ex-military, conservative, and think we need to repeal DADT and get on with more important issues. But for the life of me, McCain just won another six years, and should he choose to run again, will be as a cadaver. Why he is pushing a referendum vote within the military, and warning of an exodus, makes no sense right now.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The wrong question was asked my left wing friend...The question is not how do we cancel DADT its should DADT be canceled.......You will get amd entirely different answer if you ask the latter..........
    Say, NP, the Navy overall had the highest favorability towards repeal of DADT, followed closely by the Coast Guard. Does this change your opinion at all, seeing as how you're a boat jockey yourself? You have often remarked that if the military was for it, you'd be ok with it. I ask because it appears as though you're backing off on that.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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