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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The wrong question was asked my left wing friend...The question is not how do we cancel DADT its should DADT be canceled.......You will get amd entirely different answer if you ask the latter..........
    Navy, do you think of the people who said it would have a positive or no affect on military readiness or unit cohesion, a large majority in the study, also think that DADT shouldn't be canceled anyway? If you don't believe in the reasons the program exists why would you support the continued existance of the program?!?!

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    You are cherry picking one example of a big mean gay guy who likes to kill the bad guys. Did you serve with Special Ops units ?
    I'm saying this idea that gay guys can't serve in "high-testosterone" units without hiding themselves is clearly incorrect, especially considering the overwhelming number of even marine combat units that said there wasn't a problem with their gay members. (84%)

    Is 84% cherry picking?
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The wrong question was asked my left wing friend...The question is not how do we cancel DADT its should DADT be canceled.......You will get amd entirely different answer if you ask the latter..........
    But, in 1940, would you have asked military personnel how to integrate black people into combat and flying units?

    Or would you have asked, should we integrate black people...?

    I think you and John McCain might have choosen the latter.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The wrong question was asked my left wing friend...The question is not how do we cancel DADT its should DADT be canceled.......You will get amd entirely different answer if you ask the latter..........
    You can't ask the first without implying that the latter is a given - thus one would assume that any reasonable person, if they opposed canceling DADT, would answer the question of "what effect will this have (canceling DADT)" with "really bad things will happen".

    Or are you saying the majority of our armed forces are too stupid to process that?
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I have a question for you Zimmer.

    Military unit cohesion is based on trust, right? How can you trust someone if they are forced to hide who they are from you?
    Good question, especially for Obama and most Democrats. They hide and lie about who they are and what they want to do.

    Unit cohesion isn't disrupted because someone has to keep their unusual sexual orientation to themselves. I use "unusual" because it's not usual. Homosexuality isn't the norm and can cause friction as the Commaders have testified.

    I have another question for you.

    Why should a straight person be able to be open and honest about themselves but a gay person doing the same gets discharged?
    Not too complicated; because it's the societal norm for eons. If we have gays, why not have transvestites? They're people too.


    One last question:

    Even combat marines are overwhelmingly not against it, when you ask the guys who've actually served with homosexuals. Why should we listen to the small minority who hasn't?
    Watch the video. And strange with all this support, congress doesn't have the votes to pass it.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

    openly in the military.

    In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


    McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.
    It doesn't really matter. If those people are too scared to serve with gays, I'm sure we can find more people who are willing to (and maybe even better qualified people).
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I'm saying this idea that gay guys can't serve in "high-testosterone" units without hiding themselves is clearly incorrect, especially considering the overwhelming number of even marine combat units that said there wasn't a problem with their gay members. (84%)

    Is 84% cherry picking?
    The newer, more direct surveys, showe that over 60% of those in th line units dd not think it was a good idea. There will be enormous peer pressure in those units against gays who are too open about it. Their fellow soldiers will determine what is "too open". Trust me.

    I am for the repeal of DADT btw. Have said so in other threads. But it will have its own special dynamics when implemented.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

    openly in the military.

    In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


    McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.
    The Army is over strength and looking for ways to get rid of troops anyway.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

    openly in the military.

    In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


    McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.
    McCain is just angry because he lost the erection er I mean election.


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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Gun picture in signature, very conservative label, recent registration, suspiciously nutty posting...

    Yeah, I think you and I have drawn the same conclusion, a conclusion which we can't actually post here.
    Recent registration? I registered March 2006. You registered February 2010. That means I registered three years and eleven months before you. Please refrain from saying retarded things.
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