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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    I wasn't aware that 12% was enough of a majority to suspend civil rights, not to mention the whole notion being poppycock.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    I wasn't aware that 12% was enough of a majority to suspend civil rights, not to mention the whole notion being poppycock.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    McCain is allowed his opinion. Unfortunately for him, there are zero facts to back up his opinion, and tons to suggest he is wrong.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

    openly in the military.

    In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


    McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.
    This old fossil, McCain, a once impressive and honorable man, has made a joke of himself in several areas, like his actions during his recent Senate election, and his silly behavior in the 2008 Presidential campaign. Now the openly-gay-in-the-military thing. Does he not know he served with gay men during the Vietnam war?

    Its telling, this guy is belittled nationally by his own wife, who stars in her own commercial directly mocking him on the gay issue.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    What does a dinosaur like McCain dimly remember?
    Well, considering the record of failure the leftists have on most matters, and hostility to the military, they best leave the military alone. Don't fix what ain't broken.

    BTW... the journOlists are telling only their side of the story... as usual.

    Along with the Marine Corps commander, the chiefs of the US Army and the Air Force also said ending the ban during a war carried risks,
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Pentagon Chiefs Tell Senate Panel: Repeal 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell'

    WASHINGTON (Dec. 2) -- Senate Republicans, led by Arizona's John McCain, today raised the specter of a mass exodus of offended troops if gays are allowed to serve

    openly in the military.

    In a preview of a debate McCain hopes to keep from reaching the Senate floor for a vote this month, opponents vehemently rejected a 10-month Pentagon study that found there would be minimal disruption in the ranks if Congress repealed the "don't ask, don't tell" policy.

    At a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee, they told Pentagon leaders they did not take seriously enough resistance from Army and Marine Corps combat and special-operations units. They also questioned whether the Pentagon survey of 115,000 troops was large enough to be representative.


    McCain urged against a "rush to repeal." Citing "alarming" statistics in the report, he predicted as many as 265,000 service members, or 12 percent of the military, would leave the service if the policy were changed. And he asked why the 103-question survey of troops did not ask directly whether the policy should be repealed.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Southerners said the same thing about cotton plantations when Lincoln freed the slaves.
    You do know that gays can serve in the military. They simply don't want them to be open about it because men live in close quarters and this can be for long periods. The place isn't a social experiment, it's a professional military of men trained to neutralize the enemy. They don't need friction amongst one another.

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You do know that gays can serve in the military. They simply don't want them to be open about it because men live in close quarters and this can be for long periods. The place isn't a social experiment, it's a professional military of men trained to neutralize the enemy. They don't need friction amongst one another.
    Gays can serve in the military as long as they don't admit they're gay....or engage in any conduct that makes their "gayness" apparent. Seems to me we've already fought this battle a looong time ago -- Blacks in the Military. Can you not see the similarities?
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Vincent View Post
    The perfect solution: gay military units. It solves every problem both ways! Seriously, think about it. The two issues about repealing don't ask don't tell are (1) will normal men and women be fine with the forced intimacy of the military with homosexuals, and (2) making sure everyone's dealing with openly gay troops without giving gays harrassement. Gay military units means that normal troops won't have any problems, because they won't have to deal with it, and gays won't have any problems because they'll be in their own units.
    An argument for segregation? Did I go back in time to the 1960's?
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You do know that gays can serve in the military. They simply don't want them to be open about it because men live in close quarters and this can be for long periods. The place isn't a social experiment, it's a professional military of men trained to neutralize the enemy. They don't need friction amongst one another.

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    I have a question for you Zimmer.

    Military unit cohesion is based on trust, right? How can you trust someone if they are forced to hide who they are from you?

    I have another question for you.

    Why should a straight person be able to be open and honest about themselves but a gay person doing the same gets discharged?

    One last question:

    The Plum Line's Greg Sargent points out that "84 percent of Marine combat corps combat arms units who said they thought they'd worked with homosexual service-members in the past found the experience either very good, good, or neutral,"
    Even combat marines are overwhelmingly not against it, when you ask the guys who've actually served with homosexuals. Why should we listen to the small minority who hasn't?

    Quote Originally Posted by GarzaUK View Post
    An argument for segregation? Did I go back in time to the 1960's?
    There's pretty much nothing from the right wingers that surprises me anymore.
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