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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    First, right before the British allowed gays to serve openly, there was this same fear that many of their troops would leave/not reenlist. In fact, they had a high ranking officer who did resign, but it had very little impact. And I think in the article I read, more than 12% of their troops claimed that they would leave the military, either right away or just not reenlist, if gays were allowed to serve openly there. It never happened. They saw no measurable affect whatsoever to their recruitment/retention when they allowed gays to serve openly. There may have been a few who did get out, and either decided to do something to get kicked out or just did not reenlist, but the number was so insignificant that they couldn't even distinguish who was getting out for just that reason or for other reasons.

    Second, as others have said, why would a soldier/marine give up a job with good benefits and steady pay just because they may have to live with gay personnel (which, for the most part, they have already been doing), to go into a job market that sucks, especially for someone whose most likely skill is killing people. And the civilian world, for the most part, has made it illegal almost everywhere to discriminate against gays. So these guys, if they do find a comparable or better job, would most likely be working with openly gay people. Sure, they may not have to shower or live with those people, but they will still be working with them.

    And, there are a lot of people who are trying to join or go back into the military. The Navy is barely accepting any returnees and I heard the AF isn't accepting any at all.

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    The Navy is actively trying to decide who to not allow to reenlist in jobs that are overmanned. It's called Perform to Serve.

    So if someone absolutely could not serve with someone who was openly gay, then I would be willing to bet that they can easily be replaced or their loss wouldn't really be a big deal. I highly doubt that 12% of our military is going to try to get out just because gays serve openly, not in this economy.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    ROFL. I use to live with one of those.

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    I'm a Shōrin-ryū gal, myself.
    This is an honest debate, there's no call to go making up words.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    First, right before the British allowed gays to serve openly, there was this same fear that many of their troops would leave/not reenlist. In fact, they had a high ranking officer who did resign, but it had very little impact. And I think in the article I read, more than 12% of their troops claimed that they would leave the military, either right away or just not reenlist, if gays were allowed to serve openly there. It never happened. They saw no measurable affect whatsoever to their recruitment/retention when they allowed gays to serve openly. There may have been a few who did get out, and either decided to do something to get kicked out or just did not reenlist, but the number was so insignificant that they couldn't even distinguish who was getting out for just that reason or for other reasons.

    Second, as others have said, why would a soldier/marine give up a job with good benefits and steady pay just because they may have to live with gay personnel (which, for the most part, they have already been doing), to go into a job market that sucks, especially for someone whose most likely skill is killing people. And the civilian world, for the most part, has made it illegal almost everywhere to discriminate against gays. So these guys, if they do find a comparable or better job, would most likely be working with openly gay people. Sure, they may not have to shower or live with those people, but they will still be working with them.

    And, there are a lot of people who are trying to join or go back into the military. The Navy is barely accepting any returnees and I heard the AF isn't accepting any at all.

    Prior Service Enlistments

    The Navy is actively trying to decide who to not allow to reenlist in jobs that are overmanned. It's called Perform to Serve.

    So if someone absolutely could not serve with someone who was openly gay, then I would be willing to bet that they can easily be replaced or their loss wouldn't really be a big deal. I highly doubt that 12% of our military is going to try to get out just because gays serve openly, not in this economy.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    This is an honest debate, there's no call to go making up words.
    It's not a made-up word, it's a different language...

    Japanese, I think…

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    I don't know, but it sounds like you guys are talking about whaling vessels.
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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    It's not a made-up word, it's a different language...

    Japanese, I think…

    My youngest brother has been studying something called “Isshin-ryū”, which is I believe related.
    It was a joke :P
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It was a joke :P
    I thought so.

    But I'm so bad at recognizing such things that I've simply taken to responding as if they were serious, in most cases...

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    Re: McCain: 'Don't Ask' Repeal May Cause Troop Exodus

    I am sorry to break it to you my left wing friends but repeal of DADT is a dead issue in the lame duck congress.........It will never come to the floor for a vote and if it did the democrats don't have enough vote to repeal the law.............
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