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    Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism


    Sen McCain at Senate Hearings arguing with the Secretary of Defense Gates and Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman

    Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism - Yahoo! News

    In Senate hearings Thursday, Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen shot back at Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.) for implying that Mullen is not in charge of troops and is thus not qualified to say that the military should end its ban on openly gay service. On Thursday, Mullen told McCain:

    "With all due respect, Mr. Chairman and Sen. McCain, it is true that, as chairman, I am not in charge of troops. But I have commanded three ships, a carrier battle group and two fleets. And I was most recently a service myself. For more than 40 years I have made decisions that affected and even risked the lives of young men and women.

    "You do not have to agree with me on this issue. But don't think for one moment that I haven't carefully considered the impact of the advice I give on those who will have to live with the decisions that that advice informs. I would not recommend repeal of this law if I did not believe in my soul that it was the right thing to do for our military, for our nation and for our collective honor."


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    McCain Spox: Senator 'Misspoke' When He Said Defense Secretary Never Served In Military | TPMDC

    McCain dismissed Gates' claim that repealing the military's ban on openly gay and lesbian service members would have little or no effect on military readiness in an interview with NBC News yesterday by suggesting that Gates doesn't really know what ending Don't Ask, Don't Tell will mean for fighters on the ground. McCain, who continues to be opposed to repealing DADT, stated that Gates was not an objective expert on the matter because he's "a political appointee who's never been in the military."

    In truth, Gates served in the Air Force as a second lieutenant for two years starting in 1967.

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    rutroh.. McGranpa is acting up again.
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    Re: McCain vs The Pentagon

    McCain didn't even address the survey findings with this retort... he's just taking swipes at individuals here. Is this truly all he has left?
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    Re: McCain vs The Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by E_Pluribus_Venom View Post
    McCain didn't even address the survey findings with this retort... he's just taking swipes at individuals here. Is this truly all he has left?
    Its called getting old. He should not be in politics any more.
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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    This is from the mouth of the guy who made the sound decison to pick Sarah Palin as his Vice President running mate..................................

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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    Gaypocalypse Now - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 12/02/10 - Video Clip | Comedy Central

    I think it's time to go to the retirement home, Senator. You claim to respect the military and its servicemembers, but I'm not seeing it.
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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    KEY:
    McCain is in red
    Pentagon Study is in green
    Michael Mullen is in blue



    In 2006 McCain said the following about Don't Ask Don't Tell:

    Quote Originally Posted by Senator John McCain
    "The day that the leadership of the military comes to me and says, 'Senator, we ought to change the policy,' then I think we ought to consider seriously changing it."
    On Tuesday the Pentagon released a study indicating that most soldiers felt ending the policy would do no serious harm to the military. I will post a link to the study here. I suggest you go and read the study, it was quite interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pentagon Study
    "We are convinced that the U.S. military can adjust and accommodate this change, just as it has others in history."
    Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen and Bush appointed Secretary of Defense Robert Gates came out and supported a repeal of the bill, saying it's the
    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen
    "right thing to do""repeal of the law will not prove unacceptable risk to military readiness" "Unit cohesion will not suffer if our units are well-led, and families will not encourage their loved ones to leave the military in droves"
    Quote Originally Posted by Senator John McCain
    "At this time, we should be inherently cautious about making any changes that would affect our military, and what changes we do make should be the product of careful and deliberate consideration"
    Quote Originally Posted by Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen
    "War does not stifle change, it demands it. It doesn't make it harder; it facilitates it"
    Quote Originally Posted by Senator John McCain
    "What I can say now, however, is that in addition to my concerns about what questions were not asked by this survey and considered in this report, I am troubled by the fact that this report only represents the input of 28 percent of the force who received the questionnaire. That is only six percent of the force at large. I find it hard to view that as a fully-representative sample set."
    This is absurd. Polls are accurate with a sample of 0.1% of the population, let alone 28% of currently serving military-persons.






    36% of military members are currently serving with homosexual or bisexual soldiers.


    92.5% of military members won't have their personal readiness downgraded if DADT is repealed.




    Opinions? I thought I'd scour the web for a big picture, hope it helps. Just used print screen to get the snapshots. Before you make a decision it's a good idea to read the report, it was interesting, especially Part VII: Survey Results.

    Thanks!
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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    gates nailed his dumb ass
    we are negotiating about dividing a pizza and in the meantime israel is eating it
    once you're over the hill you begin to pick up speed

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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    gates nailed his dumb ass
    I don't see this as a petty political issue where one party can get brownie points over the other, it's an issue grounded in freedom and personal liberty, no matter your sexual orientation. Most notable was the difference in opinion between people who had served with a homosexual or bisexual member of the military and those who hadn't. I don't see any conceivable way that they compromise the military. It's a placebo. Repealing the policy wouldn't put gay members in the military, it would just let those who are already there say they are.

    I don't see the difference between having women or LGBT people in the military because, contrary to popular belief, homosexuals don't run around surprise raping their colleagues. The same arguments were used when they didn't want women in the military...

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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    ap yesterday:

    My Way News - Army, Marine chiefs cast doubt on gay service

    it's all academic, ie, moot, anyway---the white house has SOLD OUT

    if dadt aint done by the end of the duck it's dead as a doornail

    ie, john boehner

    politico today:

    Some, particularly advocates of causes struggling for oxygen in the dwindling days of the lame-duck Congress such as those seeking repeal of the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy banning openly gay members of the military, are asking about the START treaty: What’s the hurry?

    White House officials say Obama views START as a “legacy issue”—something that will reflect well on him in the history books. Arms control has been a central foreign policy interest of Obama since his Senate days when he worked closely with Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Ind.) on containing so-called loose nukes in the former Soviet Union. Lugar is now the leading Republican proponent of ratifying START.

    But with Republicans demanding substantial floor time both for START and for the defense bill carrying “don’t ask” repeal language, gay rights advocates fear time is running out for repeal, which would almost certainly be dead once Republicans take control of the House next month.

    “In all honesty, we’ve kind of been waiting to be screwed over. It was just a question of whether we’d get screwed over earlier or later,” said Heather Cronk of GetEqual, a group pushing for “don’t ask” repeal. “We’d prefer later,” she joked.
    Bipartisan question: Why START now? - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

    most maddening is the appreciation on the part of professionals that lower house is not involved in treaty ratification

    that is, dems, still in control upstairs, can do START any time

    once reid concedes kyl his two weeks of debate and amendments, the treaty will attract significantly more than the 7 republicans it needs to proceed

    sometimes, this white house doesn't even appear to understand how a bill becomes a law

    it's embarrassing

    repeal of dadt is defunct

    stay up

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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    I have been around military men and women, and partied with them.. and there was a group of Air Force men that I knew, and somebody in their unit was gay. Everybody knew he was gay, but they were all comfortable with it. He would even talk about guys being hot in front of them, and they didn't care.

    I know it didn't affect their unit negatively and they supported him..

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