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    Re: McCain vs The Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    agree with whom?

    your opinion is as valid as any

    the strong majority, however, strongly, with growing passion, DISagree with you

    biggest wave election since 1938, the house, 700 state reps, 21 legislatures, 10 gubs, 6 senate seats...

    party on, pal

    and thanks
    On the other hand, this "big wave" ended up with a minority in the senate and a 5% majority in the house, less than what the Democrats took in 2008.
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    Re: McCain vs The Pentagon

    And they have been replaced with whom? I'm not talking about the changes from democratic to republican and vice versa, they are of little consequence. The approval of Congress will still stay significantly below 50%. Even after the elections it's still at 17%.

    No significant change ever happens. Both parties essentially do the same thing, with slight deviations (The Democrats initially support reforms then cave in and pass the Republican proposal from 10 years ago, or water it down to the point where it hurts the middle/lower classes and helps the rich elite, while the Republicans don't bother with any of that). Regardless, the outcome is more or less the same, it has been for decades, and will remain so.

    Congratulations. You've succeeded in getting the business agenda passed through Congress without a few months of Democrats acting like it's not what they want. I don't see how anything has changed.

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    Re: McCain vs The Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by SirPwn4lot View Post
    I don't see how anything has changed.
    obama does

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    Re: McCain vs The Pentagon

    Congratulations now the Democratic wing of the corporate party will pass the policies that were going to be passed anyway... only with an excuse for its base.

    What has the Democratic Party done with its 2 years in office? Well it's maintained Bush foreign policy (this was a given), the bush tax cuts will certainly be renewed, healthcare reform was nothing more than a gift to the corporate world, etc, etc. Shall I continue?

    This changes nothing. I don't know if you've realized it by now but I'm not at all pro-Democratic wing, I don't know why people keep treating me like I am.

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    Re: McCain vs The Pentagon

    You know what they say about opinions...Everyone has one so here is mine.

    McCain looks to have flip-flopped on DADT because he said if told by top brass it was ok to repeal he would probably support the repeal.
    He flat out lied. He did not think that there would ever be an ok from top brass but he looked good to voters at a time when he needed them to back him.

    Now that it is IN HIS FACE he has no choice but to show his true feelings on the matter but is trying hard to not flat out say I DON'T WANT gays in the military thus all the excuses but if you look close at his face when he talks his true intent shows.

    Probably in his elderly mind he thinks is doing the right thing by stopping his military from being harmed by all those who would not only feminize it but demoralize our Christian nation.
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    Re: McCain vs The Pentagon

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    On the other hand, this "big wave" ended up with a minority in the senate and a 5% majority in the house, less than what the Democrats took in 2008.
    nonsense

    a pickup of 63 house seats is the most either party has grabbed in congressionals since 1938, the year after the great roosevelt recession of 37

    newt's net +54 in 1994 is second

    Midterm election trends - Washington Times

    boehner's broads and boys will control lower house by exactly 50 votes, 242-192

    RealClearPolitics - 2010 Election Maps - House Final Results

    50 is 11.5% of 434

    in 2008, dems netted +21

    at the state level:

    While the Republican gains in the House and Senate are grabbing the most headlines, the most significant results on Tuesday came in state legislatures where Republicans wiped the floor with Democrats.

    Republicans picked up 680 seats in state legislatures, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures -- the most in the modern era. To put that number in perspective: In the 1994 GOP wave, Republicans picked up 472 seats. The previous record was in the post-Watergate election of 1974, when Democrats picked up 628 seats.
    Devastation: GOP Picks Up 680 State Leg. Seats - Hotline On Call

    13 democrat state reps, by the way, have switched parties since nov 2

    Dem State Lawmakers Defecting To GOP Post-election - CBS News

    as for the senate, did you know there are 12 to 14 democrats with real reason to worry over 2012 versus only one lonely republican realistically in danger, scott brown

    tester in WY, nelson in NB, conrad in ND, webb in VA, casey in PA, nelson in FL, mccaskill in MO, stabenow in MI, kohl in WI, brown in OH, bingaman in NM, klobuchar in MN...

    manchin's reupped in '12, maria cantwell, lieberman

    difi will be 80

    If Senate Democrats think 2010 is a tough cycle, just wait two more years. They’ll probably hold the Senate majority Tuesday — with a couple of seats to spare, most analysts believe. But 2012 is a different story. By then, Republicans will be poised to take control of the Senate — with pickup possibilities scattered across the map and a much narrower base of their own to defend.

    It’s not simply the lopsided mathematics — with at least 21 Democratic seats on the table in 2012, including two independents who sit with the Democrats, compared with 10 Republicans. It’s where the seats are located. Start with Democratic seats in three states where President Barack Obama lost in 2008: Nebraska, North Dakota and Montana. Then go down a list of where Democrats are poised to lose Senate battles this year — Ohio, Florida and Missouri, for example — and Democrats will be right back at it in 2012, defending seats there again. Throw in some bona fide tossup states — Virginia and New Mexico — and it’s pretty hard not to picture Republicans picking off the handful of seats needed to take control, if Tuesday goes as well for the GOP as experts expect.
    Tougher road ahead for Senate Dems - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com

    it is what it is, history
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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    back to the topic

    yesterday afternoon, 4:21pm, eastern

    The clock is running out for Senate Democrats to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell” this month. A combination of the shrinking legislative calendar, other White House priorities and testimony Friday from two service chiefs saying now is not the right time to repeal, means the controversial policy may continue to be the law of the land.

    Any chance for passage now rests with the Obama administration, and how much it wants to push to lift the ban, especially given other concerns, such as the START nuclear arms reduction treaty. But advocates Friday were not enthusiastic. “I’m very concerned that the White House waited too long to move, Democrats have not pushed hard enough, and that the pressure to do tax cuts, unemployment and START mean this won't get done,” Richard Socarides, an attorney who consulted with the Clinton White House on gay rights issues, told POLITICO.

    Friday, Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) says the defense bill containing language allowing for repeal of "don't ask, don't tell" is dead for the year because there simply isn't enough time in the lame duck session, In an interview on the Hugh Hewitt radio program, Kyl said the pending defense authorization bill — which includes conditional repeal of the gays-in-the-military ban — will not pass. "There’s not going to be time to do it this year now before Christmas," Kyl said.

    A Republican staffer echoed that concern. “The administration wants START,” the staffer told POLITICO.
    'Don?t ask, don?t tell' repeal loses momentum - Gordon Lubold - POLITICO.com

    sorry

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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    It's not new by any means for the government to go against the will of 70% of the people. They do it all the time.

    At The Prof, give it at most a decade and the tables will be turned and the Republican wing will be in the same position the Democratic wing is now. Guaranteed. The Republicans are running a change campaign so if they get a victory in 2012 (likely) the chances of being reelected in 2016 are reduced quite significantly.

    Not that any of this squabble between either wing makes any significant difference in outcomes.

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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

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    Guaranteed.
    LOL!

    the modern day cassandra

    it must be frustrating

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    Re: Mullen fires back at McCain’s ‘don’t ask’ repeal criticism

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    LOL!

    the modern day cassandra

    it must be frustrating
    Lol.

    Come back when it happens. The two party dichotomy is too useful to be dismantled.

    I'm not frustrated at all, I don't see how anything has changed.

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