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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

You were in 6 years and just neglected to bring that up til now? All that talk about your family/friends who know so much about what is going on in the wars? and of course, YOUR family/friends know everything and everyone else is full of SOS...
yeah, right...

That has never been a thread topic nor is it relevant to this thread. Not sure why the trolling but it better stop.
 
That has never been a thread topic nor is it relevant to this thread. Not sure why the trolling but it better stop.

OR WHAT? You are the worst troll here. Your credibility is poor. If it wasn't for your sock puppets, you would have very few agreeing with you. I already put a few of them on ignore. What you have to say is so highly repetitive and no amount of proof offered by others will sway you. You are a true believer, for sure, too bad you choose to beleive the koolaid tastes good.
 
He's just jealous of your courage and desire to serve your country like you did. Me, I want to personally thank you for it.

12.5 years active duty USN, submarine duty, vietnam duty, GTMO Cuba, Norfolk, and then 10 years reserve. Isn't that serving?
 
OR WHAT? You are the worst troll here. Your credibility is poor. If it wasn't for your sock puppets, you would have very few agreeing with you. I already put a few of them on ignore. What you have to say is so highly repetitive and no amount of proof offered by others will sway you. You are a true believer, for sure, too bad you choose to beleive the koolaid tastes good.

This ranks as a rather silly attack on a good poster. He is consistent and logical. I suggest that is a formula you may try to adopt yourself. And I thank him for his service to this country
 
Nobody here cares who you are or what you've done. Focus on the subject of the thread.

I differ with that. I respect people who have served in all kinds of capacities and value their wisdom, experience and knowledge. I value people who put the "we" before the "I". I honor people who made our collective lives better because they too a job that benefitted others instead of simply pursuing greed for themselves.
 
He's just jealous of your courage and desire to serve your country like you did. Me, I want to personally thank you for it.

Thanks, but the brave ones actually went to war, I didn't have to which I am thankful for. The Vietnam War was winding down when I was in the service thus I didn't have to deploy. My father was at Pearl Harbor when the Japanese attacked and my father-in-law was actually shot while deployed in France. They were heroes. Then the three family members that were in Iraq actually seeing action. I am proud of them.
 
I differ with that. I respect people who have served in all kinds of capacities and value their wisdom, experience and knowledge. I value people who put the "we" before the "I". I honor people who made our collective lives better because they too a job that benefitted others instead of simply pursuing greed for themselves.

Good for you.
 
This ranks as a rather silly attack on a good poster. He is consistent and logical. I suggest that is a formula you may try to adopt yourself. And I thank him for his service to this country
yep, he is consistent alright..........:roll:
 
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This seems more like a penis measuring contest than anything else. Put them back in your pants and get back to the topic or castration will be the consequence of choice.
 
Noticed you ran from my response to you earlier, not surprising. Still waiting for you to tell us all how the govt. taxing a certain class benefits you or the country in general? You seem to have no problem with the govt. taking more personal income from the rich and spending that how they see fit vs. allowing the individual to spend it the way they want. Guess you wouldn't have a problem with the govt. doing that to you then? When you get your first full time job how about having your check sent to the govt. and letting them send back to you what THEY think you need? Is that what you are learning in school?

I run from nothing, but I'm afraid I can't compete with you toe to toe on spare time as evidenced by the fact that I have 515 posts in a year during the same time you have posted 9500 times.

Whether it benefits me personally is irrelevant. I know it is hard for conservative folks to understand that we liberals do not always deal from self interest. It does, however, greatly benefit the deficit as it is $70B per year that will go to reduce the deficit and congress does not have to do a thing to get it. Fixing the deficit is going to be an exercise in pain management. If we are committed to fixing it, pain will have shared by all, however, congress needs to inflict the bear minimum of pain. Allowing the tax cuts for the upper income to expire is a major down payment on the deficit with minimal pain.

For the record, I have been out of school for quite some time. I have "enjoyed" being in the highest tax brackets for much of the past decade, with income tax bills that... well if I had to pay tax on my income tax some of those would be in the upper brackets. But I am no longer a taxpayer as I am a job creator. I have started a business. I am creating jobs not because I am getting tax breaks (though I get a very big one, since companies losing money pay no taxes and get to recover their losses before they every pay tax), but because I see demand for my service. The current tax policy is complete irrelevant to my current endeavor. Again, not all liberals are students, professor, social workers or welfare recipients. Some of us just believe a society moves forward only when its weakest links move forward. Just so you know.
 
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I run from nothing, but I'm afraid I can't compete with you toe to toe on spare time as evidenced by the fact that I have 515 posts in a year during the same time you have posted 9500 times.

It is a known Communist Chinese plot to set up forums like these so that Americans become computer chair potatoes. No exercises, no studying, just starring blankly at a computer screen for hours a day.

They already have kidnapped our teens into texting thousand times a year.
Thus the latest comparison of American student versus Asian student show the success of the program.
 
upsideguy;1059149127]I run from nothing, but I'm afraid I can't compete with you toe to toe on spare time as evidenced by the fact that I have 515 posts in a year during the same time you have posted 9500 times.

One of the benefits of working 35 years is you can retire and spend time arguing politics.

Whether it benefits me personally is irrelevant. I know it is hard for conservative folks to understand that we liberals do not always deal from self interest. It does, however, greatly benefit the deficit as it is $70B per year that will go to reduce the deficit and congress does not have to do a thing to get it. Fixing the deficit is going to be an exercise in pain management. If we are committed to fixing it, pain will have shared by all, however, congress needs to inflict the bear minimum of pain. Allowing the tax cuts for the upper income to expire is a major down payment on the deficit with minimal pain.


I disagree, many liberals deal in self interests which is power, keeping it and keeping people dependent. It does appear that you are very naive if you believe that 70 billion will be generated from taxing the rich and even if it was it never would get to the deficit or debt. Why do you believe that? Do you believe that your income is an expense to the govt? Why would you even promote taking from one class or another?


For the record, I have been out of school for quite some time. I have "enjoyed" being in the highest tax brackets for much of the past decade, with income tax bills that... well if I had to pay tax on my income tax some of those would be in the upper brackets. But I am no longer a taxpayer as I am a job creator. I have started a business. I am creating jobs not because I am getting tax breaks (though I get a very big one, since companies losing money pay no taxes and get to recover their losses before they every pay tax), but because I see demand for my service. The current tax policy is complete irrelevant to my current endeavor. Again, not all liberals are students, professor, social workers or welfare recipients. Some of us just believe a society moves forward only when its weakest links move forward. Just so you know
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Good for you,glad you have been successfu, now tell me do you believe that tax cuts you receive are an expense to the govt? How do you feel about 47% of the income earners not paying any Federal Income taxes? I don't think anyone in business has ever created jobs because of tax breaks but I do know for a fact that businesses aren't going to hire anyone with uncertainty as to what it is going to cost them to hire someone else and if they can sell enough to pay for that employee, pay the burden on that employee, and make a profit. I am sure being in business that you believe profit is not a four letter word.

There is only one ideology that doesn't care how much you make or pay in taxes. We are all fortunate to live in this country where everyone has the opportunity to create their own individual wealth and thus need less of that govt. help. Seems that liberals always need victims, why do you think there is so much passion to demonize the rich? You see, going from the current rate to 39% isn't really that big of a deal, but it is the principle as well as the class warfare created to sell that concept. think about it.
 
Doesn't look like you understand the tax structure of this country and the difference between use taxes and Federal Income taxes. Please tell me what sales taxes, gasoline taxes, and FICA taxes fund and thus their relationship to Federal Income Taxes.



I love people who divert from the thread topic in hopes of making some kind of points. At debate here are the extension of the Bush tax cuts and that has nothing to do with the other taxes you mentioned. How can you say it is a myth that some people pay over 50% of their income in taxes. You need to get out more and do some research. What you don't seem to understand is that income taxes are taxes on what you make and use taxes are taxes upon what you use. If you don't drive a car, you don't pay gasolline taxes, if you don't own a home, you don't pay property taxes, if you don't buy anything you don't pay sales taxes but if you earn income you are to pay income taxes yet 47% don't. Get it yet?




No, everyone doesn't have an income tax burden and since income taxes fund the govt. 47% aren't paying any share of that responsibility. I am for extention of all the Bush tax cuts thus have no class envy. I am part of an ideology that doesn't really care how much money YOU make. Only liberals care what someone else makes yet it does seem that liberals want do define fair by creating their own definition.

People are making the point that 47% of the people are not paying taxes. I am making the point that while they may not pay income tax, they pay lots of other types of tax and are thus taxpayers. These taxes, when measured against income (though they are not directly related to income) are usually paid at a much higher level, making them regressive taxes. Sorry, but I do not find the specific use of their respective tax revenues germane to my argument and thus irrelevant.... my argument is simply that they are taxpayers.

So many people that view taxes as "their money" want to cry a river about all of the type of taxes they pay.... they are not concerned about the particular use, just the fact they pay it. These same people want to tell you that 47% of the people pay no taxes. That is disingenuous.

(BTW - I was licensed as a CPA in NY years back... so I have a little understanding of taxes... certainly enough to debate you, when you can stay on topic, work with full truths and get over your bad self)
 
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People are making the point that 47% of the people are not paying taxes. I am making the point that while they may not pay income tax, they pay lots of other types of tax and are thus taxpayers. These taxes, when measured against income (though they are not directly related to income) are usually paid at a much higher level, making them regressive taxes. Sorry, but I do not find the specific use of their respective tax revenues germane to my argument and thus irrelevant.... my argument is simply that they are taxpayers.

So many people that view taxes as "their money" want to cry a river about all of the type of taxes they pay.... they are not concerned about the particular use, just the fact they pay it. These same people want to tell you that 47% of the people pay no taxes. That is disingenuous.

(BTW - I was licensed as a CPA in NY years back... so I have a little understanding of taxes... certainly enough to debate you, when you can stay on topic, work with full truths and get over your bad self)

Again, apples and oranges, as this thread is about INCOME TAX CUTS, not sales tax, property taxes, exice taxes, payroll taxes. If you were a CPA then you ought to know the difference in taxes and how the money is supposed to be allocated. Apparently not. How many people pay excise taxes if they don't drive? How about payroll taxes if they are retired or don't work? How many people don't pay sales tax because they don't buy taxable products. Compare that to the Income earners, how many don't pay any income taxes even though they have income-47%. Unbelievable!!
 
Again, apples and oranges, as this thread is about INCOME TAX CUTS, not sales tax, property taxes, exice taxes, payroll taxes. If you were a CPA then you ought to know the difference in taxes and how the money is supposed to be allocated. Apparently not. How many people pay excise taxes if they don't drive? How about payroll taxes if they are retired or don't work? How many people don't pay sales tax because they don't buy taxable products. Compare that to the Income earners, how many don't pay any income taxes even though they have income-47%. Unbelievable!!

It is both disingenuous and intellectually dishonest for the right wing to attempt to narrowly frame any argument about taxes to only one specific tax while ignoring the regressivity of the real taxes that tens of millions pay. They obviously do this in an attempt to push a thinly veiled agenda intended to install Republicans as the winners in elections for decades to come.
 
It is both disingenuous and intellectually dishonest for the right wing to attempt to narrowly frame any argument about taxes to only one specific tax while ignoring the regressivity of the real taxes that tens of millions pay. They obviously do this in an attempt to push a thinly veiled agenda intended to install Republicans as the winners in elections for decades to come.

and you can bet that the super rich republicans will take care of their wanna be rich toadys to the tune of a few extra bucks per paycheck, while the super rich rake in many thousands in tax breaks.
The saddest one of all is the inheritance tax. The middle class supported the repeal of estate taxes even tho it didn't affect them.
At least, that is what our elected officials tell us. I bet if there was a national referendum on the issue, the outcome would have been different. The ONLY people who benefit from that are the richest among us. I can agree that family businesses might be impacted, but if the family business were incorporated and ownership spread thin amongst share holders, aka family members, it becomes a permanent entity with no inheritance issues. So that was always a way out...

I know, class envy, jealousy, job killer, etc., yada, yada, yada...
 
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It is both disingenuous and intellectually dishonest for the right wing to attempt to narrowly frame any argument about taxes to only one specific tax while ignoring the regressivity of the real taxes that tens of millions pay. They obviously do this in an attempt to push a thinly veiled agenda intended to install Republicans as the winners in elections for decades to come.

If you want to cut property taxes, sales taxes, excise taxes then take that up with the states not the Federal Govt. Those taxes have nothing to do with the issue on the table which is INCOME Taxes. How many income earners aren't paying any income taxes? 47%!!! Compare that to the other taxes which are state controlled.
 
and you can bet that the super rich republicans will take care of their wanna be rich toadys to the tune of a few extra bucks per paycheck, while the super rich rake in many thousands in tax breaks.
The saddest one of all is the inheritance tax. The middle class supported the repeal of estate taxes even tho it didn't affect them.
At least, that is what our elected officials tell us. I bet if there was a national referendum on the issue, the outcome would have been different. The ONLY people who benefit from that are the richest among us. I can agree that family businesses might be impacted, but if the family business were incorporated and ownership spread thin amongst share holders, aka family members, it becomes a permanent entity with no inheritance issues. So that was always a way out...

I know, class envy, jealousy, job killer, etc., yada, yada, yada...

What extra bucks in their paycheck? There is no tax cuts, just extension of the tax rates currently in place. I believe you know that.
 
What extra bucks in their paycheck? There is no tax cuts, just extension of the tax rates currently in place. I believe you know that.

you mean there are no NEW tax cuts...just an extension of the Bush Tax Cuts.
and IMO, Obama should tell the GOP to pack sand, and let those cuts expire as congress planned when they were established.

Certainly it was stupid of GWB to give a tax cut and start a war in Iraq at the same time.
 
you mean there are no NEW tax cuts...just an extension of the Bush Tax Cuts.
and IMO, Obama should tell the GOP to pack sand, and let those cuts expire as congress planned when they were established.

Certainly it was stupid of GWB to give a tax cut and start a war in Iraq at the same time.

No... we should be shooting for the Reagan era rates and the cuts in spending the Dems promised. Back to 28%, and gutting the pig.

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you mean there are no NEW tax cuts...just an extension of the Bush Tax Cuts.
and IMO, Obama should tell the GOP to pack sand, and let those cuts expire as congress planned when they were established.

Certainly it was stupid of GWB to give a tax cut and start a war in Iraq at the same time.

I know that this may come to a total and complete surprise to you but Bush isn't in office any more and according to the lastest information the public isn't happy with the current occupant and his tax policies.

Most Americans Say They
 
upsideguy;1059149578]People are making the point that 47% of the people are not paying taxes. I am making the point that while they may not pay income tax, they pay lots of other types of tax and are thus taxpayers. These taxes, when measured against income (though they are not directly related to income) are usually paid at a much higher level, making them regressive taxes. Sorry, but I do not find the specific use of their respective tax revenues germane to my argument and thus irrelevant.... my argument is simply that they are taxpayers.

What taxes others pay are subject to their own activity. They don't own a home they have no property taxes, they don't buy taxable items at the store they don't pay any sales tax, they don't drive a car they don't pay any excise taxes. That makes use taxes different than income taxes. Only with income taxes do people that earn income don't have to pay taxes and that is the point.

So many people that view taxes as "their money" want to cry a river about all of the type of taxes they pay.... they are not concerned about the particular use, just the fact they pay it. These same people want to tell you that 47% of the people pay no taxes. That is disingenuous.

Try to stay focused and pay attention to what has been posted, 47% of the INCOME earners don't pay any INCOME TAXES. Get it yet?

(BTW - I was licensed as a CPA in NY years back... so I have a little understanding of taxes... certainly enough to debate you, when you can stay on topic, work with full truths and get over your bad self)

Maybe it is an issue of reading comprehension that is the problem. I am waiting for you to explain to me how a customer of yours as a CPA keeping more of what they earn is an expense to the Federal Govt? Further please name for me any other tax other than Income taxes that someone can get out of paying simply by not performing an activity? You drive, you pay, you buy, you pay, yet you make income and you don't have to pay. Make sense to you, Mr. CPA
 
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