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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

UtahBill said:
You are talking about conservatives, right? I have paid taxes since 1963, even when I was just barely in to the Navy, and poor. There are more deductions for families now than there were then. The only deduction that is missing now is the one for interest deductions other than on mortgages, and sales tax. We all paid taxes, the rich paid a higher rate, and we all got along. Now the rich have had a taste of govt sponsored greed, and it is apparently more addictive than crack cocaine...
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I started a new thread on the role of the Federal Govt. There seems to be quite a disconnect here as to that role. Feel free to participate but the fact remains there is no evidence that there will be a Middle Class tax cut or that any tax increase on the rich will go towards reducing the deficits or paying down the debt.
 
randel said:
hmmm...texas have enough jobs for everyone who is currently unemployed?? no, no they do not. not by a long shot. so again conservative, where are the jobs you promised that would be created?? where?
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clearly all the nation's unemployed should move to Texas, where there are plenty of jobs.
 
Barbbtx said:
I'm not even in the middle and I don't read the bible.
I just don't think taking from people just because they have more than I do, is fair.
Everyone should have skin in the game. I don't think it would be right for me to vote for higher taxes on the rich but not on myself. That's why I am a conservative and vote Republican.
I think everyone should pay the same %. The more you make, the more you pay and no class envy at least over income taxes. No holding yourself of your business back in fear of higher tax brackets either. Like Obamacare, if you employ over 50 people it'll cost you dearly. Who in their right mind with 45 employees will decide to expand?
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I agree with the bolded part....set a fixed percentage with the only deduction being the child tax credit, and let the fur fly....now, what fixed percentage should it be? Remember to make it large enough that there will be some left over to pay down the national debt...
 
UtahBill said:
believe it or not, some democrats aren't liberals....
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I grew up and voted Democrat when there was room in the Democrat Party for Conservatives. That party left me so today I am a person without a party but am closer to the Republican Party than today's Democrat Party. I am looking for the party that doesn't promote class envy and jealousy of what someone else has. I prefer seeing individuals spend their money vs. the govt. wasting it.
 
haymarket said:
so now we give the death penalty for non payment of ones income taxes?

even for you this is really over the top. Perhaps it is caviar overload combined with too much Dom Perignon ?
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more like hominy grits, collard greens, and yoohoo....:2razz:
 
Conservative said:
I grew up and voted Democrat when there was room in the Democrat Party for Conservatives. That party left me so today I am a person without a party but am closer to the Republican Party than today's Democrat Party. I am looking for the party that doesn't promote class envy and jealousy of what someone else has. I prefer seeing individuals spend their money vs. the govt. wasting it.
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just like the republican party has been hijacked by extremists....several of my middle class friends are saving a few hundred dollars a year on their taxes, that is their reward for helping the rich save a few hundred THOUSAND on theirs...
 
UtahBill said:
just like the republican party has been hijacked by extremists....several of my middle class friends are saving a few hundred dollars a year on their taxes, that is their reward for helping the rich save a few hundred THOUSAND on theirs...
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I don't think it is extreme for anyone wanting to save or spend their own money. I don't think it is extreme to defend this country. I do think it is extreme to promote class envy and demonize profits and wealth creation.
 
Conservative said:
I don't think it is extreme for anyone wanting to save or spend their own money. I don't think it is extreme to defend this country. I do think it is extreme to promote class envy and demonize profits and wealth creation.
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Who has promoted class envy? You are one of a few who harp on it constantly. Who has demonized profits and wealth creation?
Some have praised it beyond its due...and some think that it is done without the support of our govt, our infrastructure, and those who actually did the work that follows good ideas.
 
UtahBill said:
Who has promoted class envy? You are one of a few who harp on it constantly. Who has demonized profits and wealth creation?
Some have praised it beyond its due...and some think that it is done without the support of our govt, our infrastructure, and those who actually did the work that follows good ideas.
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Not paying much attention to the news and the posts here, I see? As stated there is a real disconnect between what some see as the role of the Federal Govt. and what the intent was of our founders. I have a new thread on that topic. Also many don't understand the taxes we pay and their use with many claiming a different role for those taxes than exist. We have a 14 trillion dollar debt today for a reason and it all starts with Federal Social engineering and can be traced back to the Great Society.
 
Conservative said:
Not paying much attention to the news and the posts here, I see? As stated there is a real disconnect between what some see as the role of the Federal Govt. and what the intent was of our founders. I have a new thread on that topic. Also many don't understand the taxes we pay and their use with many claiming a different role for those taxes than exist. We have a 14 trillion dollar debt today for a reason and it all starts with Federal Social engineering and can be traced back to the Great Society.
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Great Society was Johnson, FDR and SS is a better starting place....
BUT, when Wall Street creates a mess, it is up to those who benefit from that mess to clean it up. Natural disasters, as in famines, is one thing, but when the filthy rich make a mess of the economy, somehow it falls on the middle class to clean it up....
 
The facts show that tax cuts on the highest earners normally lead to increased unemployment

Tax Cuts Usually Lead to Higher Unemployment. Tax Increases Lead to Lower Unemployment. | BuzzFlash.org

It's quite simple really: Tax cuts usually lead to higher unemployment. Tax increases usually lead to lower unemployment.

Since 1950 we have had five tax increases on the rich. Four out of five times unemployment went down.

Since 1950 we have ten cuts to the top marginal rate. Six out of ten times unemployment has gone up.
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click on the link for a detailed chart with facts and figures.
 
UtahBill said:
Great Society was Johnson, FDR and SS is a better starting place....
BUT, when Wall Street creates a mess, it is up to those who benefit from that mess to clean it up. Natural disasters, as in famines, is one thing, but when the filthy rich make a mess of the economy, somehow it falls on the middle class to clean it up....
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The Great Society created Medicare and Medicaid both of which were to cost millions not billions. Wall Street didn't create the entitlement mentality, govt. did. Those filthy rich that you hate earned their money and deserve to keep it, spending it the way they see fit. In many societies taking that money would be classified as theft.
 
haymarket said:
The facts show that tax cuts on the highest earners normally lead to increased unemployment

Tax Cuts Usually Lead to Higher Unemployment. Tax Increases Lead to Lower Unemployment. | BuzzFlash.org

click on the link for a detailed chart with facts and figures.
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What a bunch of crap! Why do you care what someone else makes or pays in taxes? Sounds like jealousy to me. Only four times in U.S. history have tax rate cuts been implemented. Coolidge, JFK, Reagan, and GW Bush. Every time employment went up as did Govt. revenue. Promoting bigger govt seems to be what you continually want to do.
 
Conservative said:
The Great Society created Medicare and Medicaid both of which were to cost millions not billions. Wall Street didn't create the entitlement mentality, govt. did. Those filthy rich that you hate earned their money and deserve to keep it, spending it the way they see fit. In many societies taking that money would be classified as theft.
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Depends on who we are talking about...
Bill Gates is filthy rich, he created an entire industry and put millions to work...I admire him.
Others are just financiers who leach off of the small investor and find ways to steal a few dollars a year fromeach of millions of clients.
Which are you ?
 
haymarket said:
The facts show that tax cuts on the highest earners normally lead to increased unemployment

Tax Cuts Usually Lead to Higher Unemployment. Tax Increases Lead to Lower Unemployment. | BuzzFlash.org



click on the link for a detailed chart with facts and figures.
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And on the left margin is another juicy one, "Why are 98 percent of Americans subsidizing the Super Rich." And yet another, "What's one question the GOP leaders never ask: What can we do for the good of the country?" And of course, the much needed story on "Why don't Republicans work to promote the general welfare like the constitution instructs."

LOL. That brainwashing is going to leave nothing left in your noggin. BuzzFlash looks left of Media Matters, if that is possible.
 
Conservative said:
What a bunch of crap! Why do you care what someone else makes or pays in taxes? Sounds like jealousy to me. Only four times in U.S. history have tax rate cuts been implemented. Coolidge, JFK, Reagan, and GW Bush. Every time employment went up as did Govt. revenue. Promoting bigger govt seems to be what you continually want to do.
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1985, the USA becomes a debtor nation, who was President?
 
UtahBill said:
Depends on who we are talking about...
Bill Gates is filthy rich, he created an entire industry and put millions to work...I admire him.
Others are just financiers who leach off of the small investor and find ways to steal a few dollars a year fromeach of millions of clients.
Which are you ?
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Then provide specifics instead of the broad brush. As stated, Bill Gates did it, so did others but it is a lot easier pointing to those that abused the system even though in a minority. In my career I promoted individual growth and upward mobility. I helped create a lot of individuals become financially successful and did it without the "help" of the govt.
 
Conservative said:
Then provide specifics instead of the broad brush. As stated, Bill Gates did it, so did others but it is a lot easier pointing to those that abused the system even though in a minority. In my career I promoted individual growth and upward mobility. I helped create a lot of individuals become financially successful and did it without the "help" of the govt.
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I just did, Bill Gates, and others like him...
you want specifics for the financiers? Watch the news much? The Ponzi scheme is alive and well...
Your last sentence needs some work, looks like you left out a word...

No specifics on your career? I wonder at whose expense you helped others get rich?
 
UtahBill said:
Your last sentence needs some work, looks like you left out a word...
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Either that or he knocked a lot of women up and got wealthy doing so. :mrgreen:
 
UtahBill said:
I just did, Bill Gates, and others like him...
you want specifics for the financiers? Watch the news much? The Ponzi scheme is alive and well...
Your last sentence needs some work, looks like you left out a word...

No specifics on your career? I wonder at whose expense you helped others get rich?
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Yes it is, but that is the exception rather than the norm. you are doing fine, why? I am doing fine, why?

As for my career I could tell you my life story but then again some here would claim it to be a complete lie as anyone can say anthing on the internet. I taught people to manage a business, take pride in their performance, and individual responsibility for their results. I rewarded successful results based upon the way they were generated. A lot of successful people today due to that effort.
 
Conservative said:
Yes it is, but that is the exception rather than the norm. you are doing fine, why? I am doing fine, why?

As for my career I could tell you my life story but then again some here would claim it to be a complete lie as anyone can say anthing on the internet. I taught people to manage a business, take pride in their performance, and individual responsibility for their results. I rewarded successful results based upon the way they were generated. A lot of successful people today due to that effort.
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I bet you were a boy scout too:roll:
 
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