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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

randel said:
hmmm...texas have enough jobs for everyone who is currently unemployed?? no, no they do not. not by a long shot. so again conservative, where are the jobs you promised that would be created?? where?
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TX is creating jobs, your state isn't. Raising taxes on anyone doesn't help the job creation anywhere.
 
randel said:
where are the jobs???? results matter!!
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Ask Obama and the democrats. They are the ones who created so much uncertainty. They are the ones who chose to kill well paying, private sector jobs in the oil industry. That also effects other jobs when that money is taken out of the economy.
How many private sector jobs did the Bush adminstration kill with the Bush tax cuts?
Admit it, this adminitration doesn't care about jobs. They want redistribution of wealth. The way to do that is take from the wealthy and give even more entitlements to the poor and middle class. That does not create jobs.
So my question is "Where are the jobs and how does taxing the rich create jobs?"
 
randel said:
so again conservative, where are the jobs you promised that would be created?? where?
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In December of 2010, there is high unemployment. This obviously proves that tax cuts from 2001 and 2003 (which are now expiring) did not have any positive effects.

LOGIC.
 
Conservative said:
TX is creating jobs, your state isn't. Raising taxes on anyone doesn't help the job creation anywhere.
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does texas have enough jobs for everyone?? what was that? no?? i thought not...seem to remember seeing texas has a 7.8% unemployment rate
 
randel said:
does texas have enough jobs for everyone?? what was that? no?? i thought not...seem to remember seeing texas has a 7.8% unemployment rate
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You would never survive in TX as here people take personal responsibility and don't require someone else to do things for them. TX has a growing economy and is creating jobs. Why don't you find out why and ask your Legislators why they cannot do the same in Ohio? That would require you to stop whining though.
 
Conservative said:
You would never survive in TX as here people take personal responsibility and don't require someone else to do things for them. TX has a growing economy and is creating jobs. Why don't you find out why and ask your Legislators why they cannot do the same in Ohio? That would require you to stop whining though.
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yada yada yada, when cornered, start spiel about personal responsibility, launch personal attack, wash, rinse, repeat....avoid question, divert conversation, wash rinse repeat.......psssst...hey...conservative.....where are the jobs?????
 
UtahBill said:
the more recent ones are clearly mostly by the republican side of the padded cell....
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the most recent, hello, is afghanistan, OBAMA'S WAR

do you remember what BOB WOODWARD wrote about it, it was devastating

more americans martyred since obama took over than in 01 to 08 combined, by the way, 55 in november

http://www.icasualties.org/oef/

party on
 
haymarket said:
And you know Deuce what is even more lame? for right wingers like you to assert all this without any evidence.

Yeah I know, True Believers do not need evidence when they have faith.
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Yeah, I know all about the liberal faith. "Please God, take some money from the evil rich and give it to me. Its only fair ! Amen "
 
randel said:
yada yada yada, when cornered, start spiel about personal responsibility, launch personal attack, wash, rinse, repeat....avoid question, divert conversation, wash rinse repeat.......psssst...hey...conservative.....where are the jobs?????
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Ask Obama, he has been in office 2 years and lost 4 million. How is that hope and change working out for you? Looks like Ohio woke up and kicked your entire state govt. out of power. Guess they no longer blame Bush or the tax cuts like you.
 
Conservative said:
Ask Obama, he has been in office 2 years and lost 4 million. How is that hope and change working out for you? Looks like Ohio woke up and kicked your entire state govt. out of power. Guess they no longer blame Bush or the tax cuts like you.
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nope, i'm asking you...conservative, where are the jobs? they certainly can't all be in texas, with a 7.8% unemployment rate and all....
 
randel said:
nope, i'm asking you...conservative, where are the jobs? they certainly can't all be in texas, with a 7.8% unemployment rate and all....
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For all those Democrat politicians in Ohio that just lost their jobs ..... send 'em to Texas. More jobs there. Hurry though, cause there's a bunch of Dems in D.C. needing new jobs too. ;)

Why don't you change your label to "Where duh jobs ?" btw.
 
randel said:
nope, i'm asking you...conservative, where are the jobs? they certainly can't all be in texas, with a 7.8% unemployment rate and all....
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You can ask and get the same answer, you don't like the answer, they are in TX and other pro business, pro growth states like Ohio used to be. Obama has taken the advantages provided by the tax cuts and destroyed 4 million more by creating uncertainty and the potential for higher costs for hiring. I don't expect you to understand that as a wage slave since magically on payday a paycheck shows up. In the meantime and since the Bush tax cuts are still benefiting you, I hope you are putting some of that aside for a "rainy day" since I have a feeling one is coming your direction at any time now.
 
Eighty Deuce said:
For all those Democrat politicians in Ohio that just lost their jobs ..... send 'em to Texas. More jobs there. Hurry though, cause there's a bunch of Dems in D.C. needing new jobs too. ;)

Why don't you change your label to "Where duh jobs ?" btw.
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LOL, Democrat Politicians in TX are a dying breed, 20 more state legislative positions went Republican on Nov. 2, Thanks President Obama! You have awakened an nation.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2010/12/the_presidency_that_saved_amer.html

In fifty years, I have little doubt that we will regard the administration of Barack Obama as the presidency that saved America. No, not in the sense that Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, and all the other media John the Baptists foretold, as they proclaimed, the coming of our political messiah just over two years ago. Rather, the history of our time will show that it was the radical nature of Obama's dogged devotion to a liberal progressive philosophy far out of the American mainstream that jolted awake a generation of apathetic and passive citizens just in time to save the republic.
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Eighty Deuce said:
For all those Democrat politicians in Ohio that just lost their jobs ..... send 'em to Texas. More jobs there. Hurry though, cause there's a bunch of Dems in D.C. needing new jobs too. ;)

Why don't you change your label to "Where duh jobs ?" btw.
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yeah the dems took a bath here in ohio. Sadly the most qualified guy-richard Cordray lost as well to RINO MIke DeWhine

but watching idiots like steve Driehaus take a bath was great
 
Conservative said:
So what? The rich pay more in taxes and have higher base thus get back a higher number but the same percentage. Seems like a hard concept for you to grasp.
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So What? You don't mind the middle-class getting screwed so the rich can get more money? You need to do a little research. Most of the ubber wealthy pay a lot lower rate (16%), because most of their income comes from capital gains. They also have many more tax shelters and loopholes than the middle class, so yes, the more money you make the more money you are going to pay, but if the rates are disproportionate, the middle class gets to keep less of their money than the rich.
What is your "big" interest in protecting the wealthy people's tax cuts? We've already seen that the tax cuts didn't help the economy, neither did they provide jobs, so please explain what your interest is.

Don't tell me that you are being "fair" - because you don't seem to care about the unemployed losing their benefits.

Do you see those not asking for the money back sending more to the Federal Govt? Why not?
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Those not asking for the money back are the same wealthy that you are fighting for and of course they are not sending more to the Federal Government. Why not? Only a real dunce would not be able to answer that. Because everyone wants to keep more of their money. But, our country is in dire need, if anybody would want to help the country, the super wealthy should be the first, since they are the ones that can most afford it. Your party keeps saying no more deficit spending, but when it comes to the rich, they look the other way?

Why do you care if the rich get to keep more of what they earn?
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I don't care if the rich get to keep more of what they earn, I care that they get to keep more of what they earn than the middle-class person. Why don't you? Are you one of the super wealthy?

Here we go again, someone who doesn't understand the concept of earning money and keeping more of what one earns.
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There is a difference in earning and keeping more of what one earns and giving the super wealthy big tax cuts so they get to keep more money than others that are not as wealthy.
Giving the rich more money? Who is giving the rich more money? You don't seem to understand it is their money? You work for the govt?
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Yes, it is their money, so is my money mine. So, why did Bush give the super wealthy bigger tax cuts? Why are they allowed more loopholes so they don't have to pay as much. It seems to me that you don't understand what is going on. Faux News and Rush Limbaugh have got you so brainwashed - of course, commentators on Faux News and Rush Limbaugh are super wealthy, it is in their best interest.

Yep, buying what this Administration tells you since they have been so accurate on all their predictions. What makes you so sure that any tax increase will generate more revenue to the Federal Govt.
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By the very nature that the super rich will be paying more in taxes, that will increase revenue. Plus, not having to borrow $700B to give them the tax cuts (that is what it will cost the U.S.), that is $700B money the gov saves.

and that the govt. will use it to lower the deficit and/or debt?
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Well, your party seem to think that the Stimulus and the Tarp were only hurting the country, why don't they feel the same about the tax cuts for the super wealthy? They are all about the same amount of money. The difference being, the Stimulus and the Tarp were an effort to help the economy, the tax cuts for the rich are an effort to help only the rich.

700billion over 10 years with my math means 70 billion a year. The 700billion sounds better doesn't it vs. 70 billion. If all that money got to the govt, and it was used to lower the deficit we would have had a 1.23 trillion deficit instead of 1.3 trillion deficit, Now doesn't that make you feel better?
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Well, it seems to have made Tea Partiers better had the Stimulus $700B, and the Tarp $700B were not spent, so how come the $700B tax cuts don't seem to bother them anymore?


Right, it was Bush's fault that Obama lost 4 million jobs the last two years. Didn't he "bring us back from the brink" or was that just another lie? If this is the education you are getting from the schools we are indeed doomed.
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Don't rewrite History. It is a fact that Bush's policies (tax cuts for the rich and two unnecessary wars) put the country in the toilet. Obama has been trying, even against the efforts of the Republican party to thwart them, to help the economy recover as well help those hit by the recession, and there has been some progress made. Bush outsourced a lot of our work to China and other countries, you have that to be proud of.

And, as a matter of fact, Corporations are doing great in profits, but are still not hiring. Are they just trying to keep more money to themselves?

Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars
According to a new report (PDF) from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. corporate profits are at an all-time high, despite the turbulent economy. At the same time, the real unemployment rate remains astronomically high, affecting some 1 in 5 Americans.

Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars | AlterNet

I have to run now, do volunteer work, so don't think my not responding right away means that you have shut me down. I noticed you accuse others of that.
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah the dems took a bath here in ohio. Sadly the most qualified guy-richard Cordray lost as well to RINO MIke DeWhine

but watching idiots like steve Driehaus take a bath was great
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My Father-in-Law was tickled to death to see Chabot win and thus nothing else mattered.
 
Conservative said:
You can ask and get the same answer, you don't like the answer, they are in TX and other pro business, pro growth states like Ohio used to be. Obama has taken the advantages provided by the tax cuts and destroyed 4 million more by creating uncertainty and the potential for higher costs for hiring. I don't expect you to understand that as a wage slave since magically on payday a paycheck shows up. In the meantime and since the Bush tax cuts are still benefiting you, I hope you are putting some of that aside for a "rainy day" since I have a feeling one is coming your direction at any time now.
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don't worry about me bud....is it pissing you off my constant asking of where are the jobs? then answer the question..you are the one wanting to cut all benefits for those out of work...just exactly what do you expect these people to do? please don't give the line of bs with 'personal responsibility' or mention texas again, as texas apparently doesnt have enough jobs for its citizens...where are the jobs conservative?
 
Conservative said:
My Father-in-Law was tickled to death to see Chabot win and thus nothing else mattered.
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I just got an invitation to "send Steve off to washington" at the Queen City Club on December 15th. even though I am not in his district I gave him alot of money and met with him to discuss pro gun strategies
 
mertex said:
So What? You don't mind the middle-class getting screwed so the rich can get more money? You need to do a little research. Most of the ubber wealthy pay a lot lower rate (16%), because most of their income comes from capital gains. They also have many more tax shelters and loopholes than the middle class, so yes, the more money you make the more money you are going to pay, but if the rates are disproportionate, the middle class gets to keep less of their money than the rich.
What is your "big" interest in protecting the wealthy people's tax cuts? We've already seen that the tax cuts didn't help the economy, neither did they provide jobs, so please explain what your interest is.

Don't tell me that you are being "fair" - because you don't seem to care about the unemployed losing their benefits.


Those not asking for the money back are the same wealthy that you are fighting for and of course they are not sending more to the Federal Government. Why not? Only a real dunce would not be able to answer that. Because everyone wants to keep more of their money. But, our country is in dire need, if anybody would want to help the country, the super wealthy should be the first, since they are the ones that can most afford it. Your party keeps saying no more deficit spending, but when it comes to the rich, they look the other way?


I don't care if the rich get to keep more of what they earn, I care that they get to keep more of what they earn than the middle-class person. Why don't you? Are you one of the super wealthy?


There is a difference in earning and keeping more of what one earns and giving the super wealthy big tax cuts so they get to keep more money than others that are not as wealthy.

Yes, it is their money, so is my money mine. So, why did Bush give the super wealthy bigger tax cuts? Why are they allowed more loopholes so they don't have to pay as much. It seems to me that you don't understand what is going on. Faux News and Rush Limbaugh have got you so brainwashed - of course, commentators on Faux News and Rush Limbaugh are super wealthy, it is in their best interest.


By the very nature that the super rich will be paying more in taxes, that will increase revenue. Plus, not having to borrow $700B to give them the tax cuts (that is what it will cost the U.S.), that is $700B money the gov saves.


Well, your party seem to think that the Stimulus and the Tarp were only hurting the country, why don't they feel the same about the tax cuts for the super wealthy? They are all about the same amount of money. The difference being, the Stimulus and the Tarp were an effort to help the economy, the tax cuts for the rich are an effort to help only the rich.


Well, it seems to have made Tea Partiers better had the Stimulus $700B, and the Tarp $700B were not spent, so how come the $700B tax cuts don't seem to bother them anymore?



Don't rewrite History. It is a fact that Bush's policies (tax cuts for the rich and two unnecessary wars) put the country in the toilet. Obama has been trying, even against the efforts of the Republican party to thwart them, to help the economy recover as well help those hit by the recession, and there has been some progress made. Bush outsourced a lot of our work to China and other countries, you have that to be proud of.

And, as a matter of fact, Corporations are doing great in profits, but are still not hiring. Are they just trying to keep more money to themselves?

Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars
According to a new report (PDF) from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. corporate profits are at an all-time high, despite the turbulent economy. At the same time, the real unemployment rate remains astronomically high, affecting some 1 in 5 Americans.

Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars | AlterNet

I have to run now, do volunteer work, so don't think my not responding right away means that you have shut me down. I noticed you accuse others of that.
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how do the rich screw the middle class? do you think Rafa Nadal screws the weaker players on the tour?
 
mertex said:
So What? You don't mind the middle-class getting screwed so the rich can get more money? You need to do a little research. Most of the ubber wealthy pay a lot lower rate (16%), because most of their income comes from capital gains. They also have many more tax shelters and loopholes than the middle class, so yes, the more money you make the more money you are going to pay, but if the rates are disproportionate, the middle class gets to keep less of their money than the rich..
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And if we were talking about raising the capital gains rate on the "uber rich," that would be one thing. Instead, we're talking about raising income tax rates on people earning more than $200k.

The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

The average fed income tax rate for someone in the bottom 50% of earners is 2.49%. For the next 25%, it's 6.75%. For the next 15%, it's 9.29%. Those are not even close to the rates paid by the "uber rich."

randel said:
don't worry about me bud....is it pissing you off my constant asking of where are the jobs? then answer the question..you are the one wanting to cut all benefits for those out of work...just exactly what do you expect these people to do? please don't give the line of bs with 'personal responsibility' or mention texas again, as texas apparently doesnt have enough jobs for its citizens...where are the jobs conservative?
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If you ask a stupid question, don't be surprised when you don't get a good answer.
 
RightinNYC said:
And if we were talking about raising the capital gains rate on the "uber rich," that would be one thing. Instead, we're talking about raising income tax rates on people earning more than $200k.

The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

The average fed income tax rate for someone in the bottom 50% of earners is 2.49%. For the next 25%, it's 6.75%. For the next 15%, it's 9.29%. Those are not even close to the rates paid by the "uber rich."




If you ask a stupid question, don't be surprised when you don't get a good answer.
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when i want your opinion, i'll rattle your chain.
 
mertex;1059140489]So What? You don't mind the middle-class getting screwed so the rich can get more money? You need to do a little research. Most of the ubber wealthy pay a lot lower rate (16%), because most of their income comes from capital gains. They also have many more tax shelters and loopholes than the middle class, so yes, the more money you make the more money you are going to pay, but if the rates are disproportionate, the middle class gets to keep less of their money than the rich.
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Funny, I don't see where any rich person hurt the middle class by keeping more of what they earn, not like the govt has done keeping people dependent. I find it interesting that there is only one ideology that doesn't care about what you make or how much you pay in taxes and another that basis their entire ideology out of class warfare and envy.

As for rates all taxpayers got tax cuts at the same rates and thus proportionate, why do you care? Right now with the Bush tax cuts in place 47% of the income earners, all under 50,000 a year didn't pay any Federal Income taxes so that defeats your argument. You are the one that needs better research.

What is your "big" interest in protecting the wealthy people's tax cuts? We've already seen that the tax cuts didn't help the economy, neither did they provide jobs, so please explain what your interest is.
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Oh, call it a little pet peeve of mine in that I think people should be able to decide how to spend their money vs. the Federal Govt. doing it. I guess no one has shown me that allowing the rich to keep more of what they earn has hurt me or my family nor will it. Maybe you ought to more concern about your own personal responsibilities.

Don't tell me that you are being "fair" - because you don't seem to care about the unemployed losing their benefits.
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I asked you a simple question as to how long an unemployed should receive benefits for being unemployed and didn't get an answer. Right now it is two years which apparently isn't long enough for you.


Those not asking for the money back are the same wealthy that you are fighting for and of course they are not sending more to the Federal Government. Why not? Only a real dunce would not be able to answer that. Because everyone wants to keep more of their money. But, our country is in dire need, if anybody would want to help the country, the super wealthy should be the first, since they are the ones that can most afford it. Your party keeps saying no more deficit spending, but when it comes to the rich, they look the other way?
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Whether or not the wealthy are asking for it or not never was the issue. They have the ability to send more money to the govt anytime they want. Liberals seem to want the govt. to force that money back to the govt.

Our country is in dire need? Until spending gets under control I don't support sending an extra dime to the govt and the question is why do you? You really think that raising the taxes on the rich are going to lower the deficit? How naive are you or better yet, how old? Read a history book.

I don't care if the rich get to keep more of what they earn, I care that they get to keep more of what they earn than the middle-class person. Why don't you? Are you one of the super wealthy?
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What I want is incentive for the middle class to become rich, even you. Penalizing one group or another reduces incentive.

There is a difference in earning and keeping more of what one earns and giving the super wealthy big tax cuts so they get to keep more money than others that are not as wealthy.
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Really, what is that difference? The govt. giving the rich more of their own money? That makes sense to you? If the rich kept more of what they earn there wouldn't be any need to give any of it back.

Yes, it is their money, so is my money mine. So, why did Bush give the super wealthy bigger tax cuts? Why are they allowed more loopholes so they don't have to pay as much. It seems to me that you don't understand what is going on. Faux News and Rush Limbaugh have got you so brainwashed - of course, commentators on Faux News and Rush Limbaugh are super wealthy, it is in their best interest.
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He didn't give the rich a bigger tax cut, same percentage. If you don't make what the rich make whose fault is it? Please explain to me why 47% of the people in this country didn't pay any Federal Income taxes AFTER the Bush tax cuts?

By the very nature that the super rich will be paying more in taxes, that will increase revenue. Plus, not having to borrow $700B to give them the tax cuts (that is what it will cost the U.S.), that is $700B money the gov saves.
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No, there is no guarantee of that but what it does guarantee is that it will change human behavior. You keep using the 700 Billion number as if it were gospel, what is it going to take for you to question the projections made by this Administration. They cannot even tell what is going to happen this year let alone 5-10 years down the road. Keep buying the rhetoric.

Well, your party seem to think that the Stimulus and the Tarp were only hurting the country, why don't they feel the same about the tax cuts for the super wealthy? They are all about the same amount of money. The difference being, the Stimulus and the Tarp were an effort to help the economy, the tax cuts for the rich are an effort to help only the rich.
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TARP was a Bush program and the Stimulus was Obama's. TARP bailed out the banks and most of the money has been paid back. Obama's stimulus led to 4 million more unemployed Americans and another 3 trillion added to the debt. you tell me which one was successful.

Well, it seems to have made Tea Partiers better had the Stimulus $700B, and the Tarp $700B were not spent, so how come the $700B tax cuts don't seem to bother them anymore?
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Because the 700 billion in tax cuts is a 10 year projection and is actually allowing people to keep more of what they earned.


Don't rewrite History. It is a fact that Bush's policies (tax cuts for the rich and two unnecessary wars) put the country in the toilet. Obama has been trying, even against the efforts of the Republican party to thwart them, to help the economy recover as well help those hit by the recession, and there has been some progress made. Bush outsourced a lot of our work to China and other countries, you have that to be proud of
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I wish you would read history before you claim someone else is re-writing it. Democrats have controlled Congress for 4 years so don't give me this crap about the Republicans, your party lost on November 2 in a good shellacking

And, as a matter of fact, Corporations are doing great in profits, but are still not hiring. Are they just trying to keep more money to themselves?

Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars
According to a new report (PDF) from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. corporate profits are at an all-time high, despite the turbulent economy. At the same time, the real unemployment rate remains astronomically high, affecting some 1 in 5 Americans.
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Right 16 million Americans are unemployed and not being paid by corporations. Your outrage over profits is quite telling.
 
randel said:
when i want your opinion, i'll rattle your chain.
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Rattle his chain?

Shouldn't you at least buy him a drink first?
 
Conservative said:
You would never survive in TX as here people take personal responsibility and don't require someone else to do things for them. TX has a growing economy and is creating jobs. Why don't you find out why and ask your Legislators why they cannot do the same in Ohio? That would require you to stop whining though.
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Right pawner. people in Texas .. well schucks alive ... they are more than mere people ... they are Texans by gawd.... check that ... they are TEXANS .... not fear'd of nutin .... taller than most trees ... stronger than a ape in the jungle and twice as smart too. they have plenty of jobs there and don't you even think about comin down to get yerself one .... y'hear?
 
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