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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Throw a rock in a crowd, and you will likely hit someone who has had relatives, friends, etc, who has been over there. Your situaiton isn't special, those who fight are special, but those who sit at home and talk about it are not.
    And it doesn't give you any special insight, either.
    Got a neighbor who spent almost 30 years in military Intelligence, retired as an O6, and guess what, he is still learning that things he "knew" during Vietnam wasn't always complete or true...
    One thing I noticed in Vietnam that is being duplicated in these wars right now. Too many of OUR troops are getting killed while too few of our Arab "allies" are letting us carry the load. Too many of their men aren't fighting their enemies. They need martial law, a forced draft, and prison for draft evasion before they can show us that they deserve our help....the taliban won't go away, or Al Queda, not until they are all dead...and only native troops can do that...
    Yet you have such an outrage over this war and without any special connection I find that interesting to say the least. Sounds to me like some kind of agenda to me. I wonder where all those al Qaeda leaders and members would be today had they not died or been captured in Iraq? Hmmm!

    So when you bury your head in the sand these people will love us or leave us alone?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Agree, but too many conservatives only harp on social issues. They surely won't complain about debt/deficits as long as it isn't their ox being gored...
    That is your opinion, my point is address the trillions wasted on social programs that haven't done what was promised. That is the biggest part of the debt, not the wars

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Hmmm why don't we ask Pat Tillman what he thought about the Iraq war......
    Or I could ask those still living that have been there as to what they think.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Yet you have such an outrage over this war and without any special connection I find that interesting to say the least. Sounds to me like some kind of agenda to me. I wonder where all those al Qaeda leaders and members would be today had they not died or been captured in Iraq? Hmmm!

    So when you bury your head in the sand these people will love us or leave us alone?
    you are the one claiming special connection, and inside knowledge, and you exaggerate on both counts. I have been in a war overseas....and have seen their people going about their daily business while we fight for them.
    We don't need to bury our heads in the sand, but we also don't need to bury any more of our troops for the lost cause of nation building. There are 2 things we are wasting here, our money, and our children's lives...

    gotta go exercise, against my will and better judgement, carry on your self rightous rightist rant without me...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    There were no tax cuts considered, only tax increases. The democrats were twarted in their attempt to raise taxes. Hurrah!

    A little stability is needed to get this economy going. Everything the administration has done, almost without exception, has generated an atmosphere of uncertainty around the cost of doing business in this country and reduced the availability of jobs. It started when the Dems gained control of congress, as did the current spike in the deficit. Just check the charts without political blinders on.

    Attempting this sort of societal engineering in the middle of a war is unconscionable.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Yeah, that's the ticket, keep labeling those who are to the left of YOU...that will get their votes...


    They did, McCain's resume showed him to be a slacker who felt entitled. He had no ideas that weren't ancient before he was born.
    The GOP screwed up, clear as can be...
    He was the darling of the media before he was nominated, then they ignored him or were negative toward him. I never wanted him from day one and wasn't fooled by the media's pick.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My experience is as a taxpayer and as a citizen who hates to see American blood and treasure wasted for nothing.
    That's the American spirit. Tell our troops that you think keeping us safe and free is a waste and for nothing.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    you are the one claiming special connection, and inside knowledge, and you exaggerate on both counts. I have been in a war overseas....and have seen their people going about their daily business while we fight for them.
    We don't need to bury our heads in the sand, but we also don't need to bury any more of our troops for the lost cause of nation building. There are 2 things we are wasting here, our money, and our children's lives...

    gotta go exercise, against my will and better judgement, carry on your self rightous rightist rant without me...
    On Today, Pearl Harbor Day, I just got off the phone with my 89 year old father who was on the U.S.S. Pennsylvania in dry dock that day and also talk to my Father-in-Law who went in to Normandy 2 days after the invasion then walked through France into Germany in WWII so I have a special connection with the military. I have no special connection other than having a family that served but you call that an exaggeration. You don't know what you are talking about but are entitled to your opinion.

    I asked you what your knowledge was regarding Iraq and although I have no special connection I do have three family members that were there. I value their input more than someone who hasn't been there and gets their news from the media. As much as you would like this to be about you, it isn't, just your lack of knowledge on the subject.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by LowRevs View Post
    There were no tax cuts considered, only tax increases. The democrats were twarted in their attempt to raise taxes. Hurrah!

    A little stability is needed to get this economy going. Everything the administration has done, almost without exception, has generated an atmosphere of uncertainty around the cost of doing business in this country and reduced the availability of jobs. It started when the Dems gained control of congress, as did the current spike in the deficit. Just check the charts without political blinders on.

    Attempting this sort of societal engineering in the middle of a war is unconscionable.
    The current spike is Obama's fault, but it in no way excuses previous spikes, republican spikes, subsequent spikes, Wall Street crime spikes, etc. Until we attach serious prison time to actions that can be best described as "breach of trust", the problems will continue with larger numbers..
    Lobbyists should be required to pay at least a million dollars toward the national debt before they can get 5 minutes time with an elected official...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    On Today, Pearl Harbor Day, I just got off the phone with my 89 year old father who was on the U.S.S. Pennsylvania in dry dock that day and also talk to my Father-in-Law who went in to Normandy 2 days after the invasion then walked through France into Germany in WWII so I have a special connection with the military. I have no special connection other than having a family that served but you call that an exaggeration. You don't know what you are talking about but are entitled to your opinion.

    I asked you what your knowledge was regarding Iraq and although I have no special connection I do have three family members that were there. I value their input more than someone who hasn't been there and gets their news from the media. As much as you would like this to be about you, it isn't, just your lack of knowledge on the subject.
    The only person here who exaggerates is you, and it is as I said, not what you claim it to be.. You place too much importance to what you hear as long as it is what you want to hear. Your relatives being there doesn't give you a special connection. If it does, nearly all of us are special. I have been in a war, and my only claim to fame is noting that the South Vietnamese Civilians didn't care who won. If they did, they would all be wearing military uniforms. Same crap is going on in the current wars. Sorry you can't see that ...
    It has been my experience that the more war a person has seen up front and personal, the less they want to talk about it with people who weren't there. My grandfather was there on D-day, and he won't talk about it to anyone who wasn't a part of it.
    A coworker was a dog handler, in country Vietnam, for part of his tour, and the rest of his tour was spent climbing in caves with nothing but a .45. That is all I know, since he didn't like talking about it at all. As little action as I have seen, I am practically a non-combatant. I carried ammo for others, and had a rocket explode nearby once, that is as close as I got.
    When you hear someone spending a lot of time talking about it, they might just be a phony...
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