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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    you seem to think that I am an expert on the budget... I will indulge you


    Defense 662.8 cut 1/3
    International Affairs 38.6 cut 15%
    Gen. Science, Space 29.9 cut 10%

    Commerce 292.5 cut all corporate welfare - whatever that comes to


    I would pop the cap on all income and earning for FICA tax purposes. I would raise both income taxes on the rich as well as close corporate loopholes permitting big corporations to off shore their income and profits. I would place a tax - the Founding Fathers called it a tariff - on foreign made products that used to be made here but are not made overseas by corporatists committing economic treason against the people.

    How much did I save? I don't know but its a lot
    How much did I add in income? Bunches and bunches. And I know its a lot because you folks squeal like stuck pigs when it is proposed.
    You didn't even make a dent in the deficit and debt but you did do a great job of reducing incentive and economic growth by raising taxes. I am sure one day you will either get a job or try and start your own business, then you can implement those pay cuts and economic policies to grow your personal income or business. Good luck. Why do you think the rich should pay more for your retirement?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    And you aren't upset about the wars? I am, not only about the Iraq war, but the way we fight the war on terror...
    I was upset when almost 3000 lives were lost on 9/11 and the trillion dollars that one event cost this country. What is your experience regarding the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. As stated I had three family members there at different times and all came back with the same story. What makes your feelings more accurate than their first hand experience?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    I was upset when almost 3000 lives were lost on 9/11 and the trillion dollars that one event cost this country. What is your experience regarding the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. As stated I had three family members there at different times and all came back with the same story. What makes your feelings more accurate than their first hand experience?
    My experience is as a taxpayer and as a citizen who hates to see American blood and treasure wasted for nothing.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Uh, yes, it certainly was, Great Society? I am sure you remember the program, just not the spending which continues today and the results which also are shown today. Amazing how spending in the name of compassion that doesn't generate compassionate results is ignored.
    I am aware that most social programs are rife with wishful thinking. We offer up the carrots, but no sticks. Let me remind you, surely you have heard me say it before, I HAVE SIBLINGS who are leaches on society. I also am related, by marriage, to too many "poor" who have lived beyond their means and now expect to be bailed out via bankruptcy.
    But we can stop all of that and still waste money subsidizing farmers to grow corn for ethanol, give tax breaks to big business and their already rich corporate types, forcing the military to take weapons systems they don't want, and funding studies for the most inane things. Just because a part of the budget is small doesn't mean it doens't contribute to the deficit/debt situation.
    Just for giggles here, tho it isn't funny, the fertizer that has hit the ventilator so far might just be a fart in a windstorm to what is coming. Watch the EU and its member countries, and imagine it happening here...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    My experience is as a taxpayer and as a citizen who hates to see American blood and treasure wasted for nothing.
    I agree, hate it when almost 3000 Americans at work are killed for no apparent reason and Americans today forget that reality.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I am aware that most social programs are rife with wishful thinking. We offer up the carrots, but no sticks. Let me remind you, surely you have heard me say it before, I HAVE SIBLINGS who are leaches on society. I also am related, by marriage, to too many "poor" who have lived beyond their means and now expect to be bailed out via bankruptcy.
    But we can stop all of that and still waste money subsidizing farmers to grow corn for ethanol, give tax breaks to big business and their already rich corporate types, forcing the military to take weapons systems they don't want, and funding studies for the most inane things. Just because a part of the budget is small doesn't mean it doens't contribute to the deficit/debt situation.
    Just for giggles here, tho it isn't funny, the fertizer that has hit the ventilator so far might just be a fart in a windstorm to what is coming. Watch the EU and its member countries, and imagine it happening here...
    What you are saying is that there is waste, fraud, and abuse in all areas of the govt. and there are people in the private and public sector abusing the system. I couldn't agree more therefore I have always proposed addressing all aspects of the problem. the problem remains too many people continue to focus on the cost of the wars and not the waste, fraud, and abuse of the biggest portion of our budget. Since the War began we have spent about a trillion dollars over 9 years or about 125 billion a year. today that 125 billion is less than 10% of the deficit so there is a bigger problem than the wars and that remains the issue. Address them all instead of focusing on just one part of the deficit and debt

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    I agree, hate it when almost 3000 Americans at work are killed for no apparent reason and Americans today forget that reality.

    I suspect you want to get something off your chest?
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    I was upset when almost 3000 lives were lost on 9/11 and the trillion dollars that one event cost this country. What is your experience regarding the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. As stated I had three family members there at different times and all came back with the same story. What makes your feelings more accurate than their first hand experience?
    Throw a rock in a crowd, and you will likely hit someone who has had relatives, friends, etc, who has been over there. Your situaiton isn't special, those who fight are special, but those who sit at home and talk about it are not.
    And it doesn't give you any special insight, either.
    Got a neighbor who spent almost 30 years in military Intelligence, retired as an O6, and guess what, he is still learning that things he "knew" during Vietnam wasn't always complete or true...
    One thing I noticed in Vietnam that is being duplicated in these wars right now. Too many of OUR troops are getting killed while too few of our Arab "allies" are letting us carry the load. Too many of their men aren't fighting their enemies. They need martial law, a forced draft, and prison for draft evasion before they can show us that they deserve our help....the taliban won't go away, or Al Queda, not until they are all dead...and only native troops can do that...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    I was upset when almost 3000 lives were lost on 9/11 and the trillion dollars that one event cost this country. What is your experience regarding the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. As stated I had three family members there at different times and all came back with the same story. What makes your feelings more accurate than their first hand experience?

    Hmmm why don't we ask Pat Tillman what he thought about the Iraq war......

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What you are saying is that there is waste, fraud, and abuse in all areas of the govt. and there are people in the private and public sector abusing the system. I couldn't agree more therefore I have always proposed addressing all aspects of the problem. the problem remains too many people continue to focus on the cost of the wars and not the waste, fraud, and abuse of the biggest portion of our budget. Since the War began we have spent about a trillion dollars over 9 years or about 125 billion a year. today that 125 billion is less than 10% of the deficit so there is a bigger problem than the wars and that remains the issue. Address them all instead of focusing on just one part of the deficit and debt
    Agree, but too many conservatives only harp on social issues. They surely won't complain about debt/deficits as long as their ox isn't being gored...
    Last edited by UtahBill; 12-07-10 at 12:45 PM.
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