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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    And what countries in the world have we bullied? Please don't give me the Iraq/Afghanistan BS again because that would be bogus.
    Remember Reagan? Foreign policy of the Ronald Reagan administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Any of them that would have implemented a pro growth economic agenda instead of a bailout agenda that saved Democrat constituent groups.
    you forgetting that bailouts were on the Bush agenda before Obama entered the WH?
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    That foreign policy of Reagan led to a peace dividend and respect around the world from our true allies. Not sure what you want me to take out of that article.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Aren't most states required by law to balance their budgets?
    you need to read more

    nyt, saturday:

    The State of Illinois is still paying off billions in bills that it got from schools and social service providers last year. Arizona recently stopped paying for certain organ transplants for people in its Medicaid program. States are releasing prisoners early, more to cut expenses than to reward good behavior. And in Newark, the city laid off 13 percent of its police officers last week.

    While next year could be even worse, there are bigger, longer-term risks, financial analysts say. Their fear is that even when the economy recovers, the shortfalls will not disappear, because many state and local governments have so much debt — several trillion dollars’ worth, with much of it off the books and largely hidden from view — that it could overwhelm them in the next few years.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/05/us...pagewanted=all

    actually you might want to avoid the very long times story, like tolstoy's ivan illyich it might tell more than anyone would want to know

    but it's all about accounting and pensions and credit ratings and stimulus running out and how post recessions hit states...

    there's a theme thru walsh's and cooper's piece---subprime accounting techniques

    stay up

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    you forgetting that bailouts were on the Bush agenda before Obama entered the WH?
    Yes, and Bush was wrong. I did not support TARP but it did apparently work and Bush did gave GM a loan that Obama took a step further and took them over, I didn't support either. I was, however, talking about the stimulus plan that he implemented which bailed out unions and supposedly saved teacher's jobs which are state responsibilities.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Good. So we agree. The Central Government creates the strong economy and it flows from there. Glad you finally see the light.

    Excellent. We agree again.

    Didn't say that.

    I am very well aware of what the "Great Society" was and I do not need to Google it. It had to do with the types of opportunity and freedom that conservatives hated and was one reason that I started leaning left.


    Attempting to put this on Obama is nothing but a red herring. Our status in the world because of our military operations has been going on LONGER than since 2008.

    See, again, as I said. Completely shortsightedness. The economy is not the only thing that makes this country great. And conservative economics fostered two of the biggest failures in economics: The Great Depression and trickle down economics. Now, perhaps, because you are only able to see the positives of conservatism, you will place this on your "asset" balance sheet, but that would just further demonstrate your inability to have any objectivity. Further, as with most folks like you, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of liberalism.

    Thank you. I'm glad that you admitted to my claims of your short-sighted, close-minded, hole-laden arguments. It's always good when two people can agree on something.
    I doubt that we agree on much including the purpose and results from the Great Society. Since you believe it worked and has been successful, then you shouldn't have any trouble stating for me the successes of the Great Society programs and your definition of success? Like all liberal programs, it cost more than intended, did less than intended, never solved a problem and never went away. It is the gift of debt that keeps on giving.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    as for the SEVEN TRILLION DOLLARS of debt our various states and city municipals are facing, you need to know that the adults in the new republican majority, this time led by devin nunes, backed by ryan and issa, are moving to stop states from sellling bonds without first divulging to treasury the status specifically of their pension obligations

    it was on fox, there aren't any links yet

    and don't expect a bailout from boehner's broads and boys, sacto

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    contrast the level headed professionalism of the boehner brigades with the headless chicken imitation daily displayed by the party STILL in power

    House Dems head to W.H. upset over taxes - Jake Sherman and Jonathan Allen - POLITICO.com

    Extension deal taxes Dems' patience - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO.com

    did you hear about the TWO more investigations of charlie who only a few months ago was STILL sitting chair of ways and means, the most powerful seat in the city?

    did you hear the waters investigation just might be reaching out to entangle barney frank?

    are you sure these obamites and ex obamites know what they're doing?

    either way, party on

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Don't know how old you are or what your experience is but I have been around a long, long time and have seen the good and the bad. I have seen people generate massive wealth and do good things with it and people create massive wealth and lose it all. Both did it due to their own decision making process and didn't need any help from the govt. Personal responsibility is a lost trait in today's entitlement society and that is promoted by leftwing ideologues all in the name of compassion. There is no compassion in an oversized allegator going into the water with a duck. Barack Obama is the oversized allegator and the American public are the ducks.

    We don't live in a perfect world and will make mistakes. People learn by their mistakes and don't do it again. Millions of people have declared bankruptcy and worked their way back to the top. It is the time to enact some tough love in this country and let people fail. Until liberals allow that to happen this country will never get back to the greatness it once had. Barack Obama certainly isn't the one to lead us back to greatness.
    I'm all for personal responsibility as a moral ideal, but you can't depend on it when governing society. Furthermore, you can't just "let people fail" in a non-isolationist economy. If other nations are manipulating their economy during a crisis to better weather the tide, then our nation will be at an enormous disadvantage once the recession clears. That's one of the pressures of being a superpower, is that you can never stop being super even for one economic cycle. It's a point of national security.

    For example, if GM failed, then all the connections and degree centrality built over the course of generations would go up on smoke. That gives foreign competitors a unique opportunity to step in where no American company can, and dominate the car market (both here and in other countries) indefinitely as a result.

    Replacing corporations is relatively easy in a captialisitc market, replacing their connections, reputation, and other resources is not nearly as easy.
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