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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Both the Constitution and this country have evolved.
    How about conservatives, have they evolved?
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Yes, for the worse as evidenced by the 14 trillion dollar debt we have today because of liberal social engineering. That doesn't even count state debt so how much is enough? Why the continued confidence that the Federal Govt. can solve social problems?
    Aren't most states required by law to balance their budgets?
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Aren't most states required by law to balance their budgets?
    Don't know that to be the case with all but do know that a lot of states including mine has that requirement plus it also has term limits and a part time legislature. Why doesn't the Federal Govt?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    No, you do not seem to understand that a strong central government is essential to power and influence, economically, politically, and internationally. When you give more power to the states, you present the weakness of "committee".



    In your opinion. It is the "great society" that has helped in making the US the place that people would want to immigrate to. And the US has a tremendous amount of influence and respect because of how we conduct our society.



    And it is conservative ideology that has harmed our respect in the world because of how we have used our "defense".

    Doesn't matter how you cut it. When you only look at one side of an issue, as you do, you fail to understand the big picture.
    the expression, a good offense is the best defense, has been abused. having the capability to protect ourselves is one thing, using it to bully other nations is another...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    the expression, a good offense is the best defense, has been abused. having the capability to protect ourselves is one thing, using it to bully other nations is another...
    And what countries in the world have we bullied? Please don't give me the Iraq/Afghanistan BS again because that would be bogus.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    My blinders as you call them continue to point to the 4 million jobs lost since Obama took office and higher unemployment each month of 2010 vs. 2009 on a month to month basis plus 3 trillion to the debt.
    which of the republican nominees last election could have done any different, or better?
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    which of the republican nominees last election could have done any different, or better?
    Any of them that would have implemented a pro growth economic agenda instead of a bailout agenda that saved Democrat constituent groups.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Don't know that to be the case with all but do know that a lot of states including mine has that requirement plus it also has term limits and a part time legislature. Why doesn't the Federal Govt?
    agree....but don't get all giddy about it...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    well, there ya go

    done

    President Obama conceded Monday that hell probably have to let the Bush tax cuts for the rich be extended as part of a deal with Republicans, arguing that such an agreement was necessary to ensure that taxes for the middle class dont increase on Jan. 1.

    We've got to make sure that were coming up with a solution, even if its not 100 percent of what I want or what the Republicans want, he said during a speech about the economy at a North Carolina technical community college.
    Obama signals yield on tax cuts - Matt Negrin and Abby Phillip - POLITICO.com

    all too predictable to those who've seen a lot of stuff

    ie, the pros

    it's interesting to note (simon's journo listers seem to agree) that at forsythe obama "studiously avoided" attacking republicans

    sorry

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Really? The Central govt. can create an atmosphere for a strong economy but it is the private sector that creates that, not the govt. State and local govt's don't implement Federal Policy they live by Federal policy, private sector reacts.
    Good. So we agree. The Central Government creates the strong economy and it flows from there. Glad you finally see the light.



    Right, I am shortsighted
    Excellent. We agree again.

    immigration only began after the Great Society was implemented.
    Didn't say that.


    Apparently you don't know what the Great Society is so check it out and get back to me. You can Google Great Society and learn a few things. The Great society had nothing to do with opportunity or freedom and only created the kind of society that liberals wanted. I know,because that is the policy that turned me away from the Democrat Party.
    I am very well aware of what the "Great Society" was and I do not need to Google it. It had to do with the types of opportunity and freedom that conservatives hated and was one reason that I started leaning left.




    And which would those be? In case you missed it, Germany is doing quite well after changing leadership to a more pro conservative govt. as is France. neither supported us in Iraq but now neither have a lot of respect for Obama and the economy he is creating. Merkel has been lecturing Obama so when was the last time that happened?
    Attempting to put this on Obama is nothing but a red herring. Our status in the world because of our military operations has been going on LONGER than since 2008.



    Right, it is the only economic ideology that makes any sense and generates positive measurable results. Liberalism is all about feeling and generates debt.
    See, again, as I said. Completely shortsightedness. The economy is not the only thing that makes this country great. And conservative economics fostered two of the biggest failures in economics: The Great Depression and trickle down economics. Now, perhaps, because you are only able to see the positives of conservatism, you will place this on your "asset" balance sheet, but that would just further demonstrate your inability to have any objectivity. Further, as with most folks like you, you demonstrate a complete lack of understanding of liberalism.



    No problem, I have had over 40 years practice at it actually generating results by implementing conservative principles. What is your experience in that area?
    Thank you. I'm glad that you admitted to my claims of your short-sighted, close-minded, hole-laden arguments. It's always good when two people can agree on something.
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