Page 69 of 94 FirstFirst ... 1959676869707179 ... LastLast
Results 681 to 690 of 931

Thread: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

  1. #681
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry, but losses to this extent haven't happened since the 30's, this was a historic election across the nation. It is the results that matter, not the rhetoric which is all Obama does tells people what many want to hear. The American electorate is tired of the rhetoric.
    United States midterm election - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The amount may be a record, but the trend is as I said, historically, the mid terms sees some losses by the presidents party most of the time.
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  2. #682
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    strong central govt, yes

    overstrong, no

    it's where you draw the line, perhaps

    meanwhile, dan rather on what he sees as an inevitable primary challenge from the left in '12, after obama's abject surrender on this issue so central to progressives:

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Dan Rather: Obama "Almost Guaranteed" To Have Primary Challenger

    again, the disgraced former mouthpiece for tiffany is only reinforcing what i heard on the same network a few hours earlier, coffee joe's panel discussion

    i remember halperin was there

    halperin (time mag) wrote last week of the "dem's nervous breakdown"

    The Page by Mark Halperin | Donkey Doozy

    today, it's:

    The coalition that got Barack Obama elected President just two years ago has been shattered. Gaming out the trajectory of the next two years can be done any number of ways, but Obama's efforts to rebuild a politically robust alliance will be the most telling. It may be the biggest challenge of his career — and he will need happenstance along with skill if he is going to get it done.

    A survey of the political landscape shows that many groups who were part of the 2008-09 Obama coalition have turned on him. Liberals believe he is an overcompromising wimp. (See blistering recent columns by progressive icons Paul Krugman and Frank Rich of the New York Times for a taste of what the left thinks of "their" President now.) The business community considers Obama ignorant about markets at best, a socialist at worst (O.K., some business people entertain an even harsher assessment). The media, after aiding and abetting his ride to the White House, now see the President as incompetent and overwhelmed. The independents and Republicans who backed him for office currently feel he is too liberal and too weak to do the job. These trends are all worse in Washington and among opinion leaders than they are in the country at large, but the views of elites are clearly shaping how the President is perceived by the nation in general.
    astonishing candor



    What Obama Needs to Make a Comeback: Nothing Short of Luck - TIME

  3. #683
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Figure out the principles upon which this country was built and get back to me. Anyone that continues to demonize profits, individual wealth creation, Wall Street, or business in general has no business commenting on the past.

    Results matter, not rhetoric. Some here continue to buy the rhetoric and ignore the results when you are doing when you say




    Obama took an improving economy and prolonged the negativity he promoted. Since Obama took office 4 million more Americans lost their jobs, there is higher unemployment in 2010 than in 2009 on a month to month basis and 3 trillion added to the debt. That is hardly the hope and change promised and the country is fed up with the "ongoing process."
    are your blinders the same color as your koolaid?
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  4. #684
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    United States midterm election - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The amount may be a record, but the trend is as I said, historically, the mid terms sees some losses by the presidents party most of the time.
    You seem to be forgetting the state and local results.

  5. #685
    Global Moderator
    I'm a Jedi Master, Yo

    CaptainCourtesy's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2006
    Last Seen
    Today @ 07:54 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    152,759

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Which came first, the chicken or the egg? The power that the Central govt. has in the world came from the productivity and creativity of the individuals in the states not the bureaucrats in D.C. There is a place for the Central Govt. and our Constitution provides the direction, "Promote the Common Defense" which is an interesting concept in the liberal world where it is more the "Rodney King" philosophy of "Can't we all just get along". There is strength in a strong economy and that is created at the state level, not the Federal Level. The Federal Govt. doesn't create anything other than debt. Seems we had a lot of power in the world without a 3.6 trillion dollar Central Govt. As was pointed out, we had a 250 billion dollar budget in 1965 with 175 million people, today that is 3.6 trillion for 310 million people, population doesn't double but the budget goes up 15 times. Make sense to you?
    As usual, you miss the big picture. The Central Government creates a strong economy; the state and local goverenments impliment it. One cannot operate without the other, but it starts from the top and flows down. Your conservative philosophy seems to forget this.

    The facts seem to support my contention that the Great Society has caused most of the debt, and it wasn't the Great Society that attracted millions to this country, it was the opportunity that this country offered. The Great Society was created by LBJ in the 60's.
    Yes, and opportunities are created by many things, no only money. Again, your conservatism is completely short-sighted. The US has always been a haven for immigrants, and the opportunity, freedom, and type of society that we have all contributes. The Great Society is part of that.




    That is your opinion, mine is that dictators of the world that control the media thus the message only understand one thing, strength and that is what our military shows. The problem is too many won't let our military win wars because of political correctness. we cannot hurt civilians!
    I'm not sure if this is short-sightedness or deliberate omission. There are plenty of countries, some our allies, who think less of us because of our military operations. I'm not saying that's OK, but I am saying it exists and not just with dictators.




    Always looked at issues like a balance sheet, put the assets on one side and the liabilities on the other. As long as the assets are larger than the liabilities that is a good thing. Today the liabilities are outweighing the assets and we are losing our power in the world and our economy is suffering under the weight your vision of a large central govt. has created.
    Nah, based on your posts, anything that adheres itself to conservatism, you place as an asset, and anything liberal, you place as a liability, regardless of the reality of the value of the issue.

    By the way good job playing someone on the liberal side of the equation but like many liberals your argument is full of holes which I know someone of your intelligence understands.
    Thank YOU for playing the conservative hack side of the argument to the letter. And as usual, it is short-sighted, close-minded, and has enough holes that a truck could be driven through it.
    "Never fear. Him is here" - Captain Chaos (Dom DeLuise), Cannonball Run

    ====||:-D

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

  6. #686
    Cheese
    Aunt Spiker's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Sasnakra
    Last Seen
    09-10-16 @ 06:10 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    28,433

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Sanity wins out over the biggest tax increase in U.S. History and the tax and Spend dreams of the "Trifecta of Doom."

    What is it about the simple idea that people who make over $250,000 a year are the ones who create the jobs.

    We don't need more taxes we need less spending. But if your a tax and spend Lefty you have a serious lack of mental acuity.
    "the people who make over $250,000 are the ones who create the jobs" - while this is sometimes true, it's most assuredly NOT true for everyone in thsi bracket.

    My (in-law) Great-grandmother, her children - and their children - don't work. . . none of them do. She's well into that bracket and they're just a rich-step above hillbillies.
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
    Pynchon - Gravity's Rainbow

  7. #687
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    are your blinders the same color as your koolaid?
    My blinders as you call them continue to point to the 4 million jobs lost since Obama took office and higher unemployment each month of 2010 vs. 2009 on a month to month basis plus 3 trillion to the debt.

  8. #688
    Sage

    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    Last Seen
    05-16-15 @ 02:32 PM
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    12,537

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    yes, it is very true that midterm elections always run against the party in power

    every midterm except two, i believe

    but not like this, 2010 (the year to determine redistricting) was a wave like none in more than 7 decades, and that includes presidential years

    at a more local level, state leg's, it's the greatest in modern history

    it is what it is, no spin

    any failure to hear it on the part of obama is denial

  9. #689
    Sage
    UtahBill's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    Utah
    Last Seen
    12-03-17 @ 01:39 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Moderate
    Posts
    17,687

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    how dare you

    can't you see what the vc did to his arms, at least

    no humanity

    i've never been personally offended by anything i ever read on this forum until now

    and i'm no admirer of the maverick

    either way, to each his own, party on
    what part of his status as a POW makes him qualified to be president?

    or is it that he was very close to being the very bottom of his academy class? or the demerits he accumulated?
    or his nasty temper? or his adultery?
    Oracle of Utah
    Truth rings hollow in empty heads.

  10. #690
    Sage
    Conservative's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Location
    Houston, TX
    Last Seen
    Yesterday @ 01:37 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    67,270

    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    CaptainCourtesy;1059142474]As usual, you miss the big picture. The Central Government creates a strong economy; the state and local goverenments impliment it. One cannot operate without the other, but it starts from the top and flows down. Your conservative philosophy seems to forget this.
    Really? The Central govt. can create an atmosphere for a strong economy but it is the private sector that creates that, not the govt. State and local govt's don't implement Federal Policy they live by Federal policy, private sector reacts.

    Yes, and opportunities are created by many things, no only money. Again, your conservatism is completely short-sighted. The US has always been a haven for immigrants, and the opportunity, freedom, and type of society that we have all contributes. The Great Society is part of that.
    Right, I am shortsighted, immigration only began after the Great Society was implemented. Apparently you don't know what the Great Society is so check it out and get back to me. You can Google Great Society and learn a few things. The Great society had nothing to do with opportunity or freedom and only created the kind of society that liberals wanted. I know,because that is the policy that turned me away from the Democrat Party.


    I'm not sure if this is short-sightedness or deliberate omission. There are plenty of countries, some our allies, who think less of us because of our military operations. I'm not saying that's OK, but I am saying it exists and not just with dictators.
    And which would those be? In case you missed it, Germany is doing quite well after changing leadership to a more pro conservative govt. as is France. neither supported us in Iraq but now neither have a lot of respect for Obama and the economy he is creating. Merkel has been lecturing Obama so when was the last time that happened?

    Nah, based on your posts, anything that adheres itself to conservatism, you place as an asset, and anything liberal, you place as a liability, regardless of the reality of the value of the issue.
    Right, it is the only economic ideology that makes any sense and generates positive measurable results. Liberalism is all about feeling and generates debt.

    Thank YOU for playing the conservative hack side of the argument to the letter. And as usual, it is short-sighted, close-minded, and has enough holes that a truck could be driven through it.
    No problem, I have had over 40 years practice at it actually generating results by implementing conservative principles. What is your experience in that area?

Page 69 of 94 FirstFirst ... 1959676869707179 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •