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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    if obama signs mitch mcconnell's tax cut for the rich, expect a 2012 primary challenge from the left---consensus of coffee joe's msnbc panel this am

    if afghanistan develops as it almost surely will...

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    opposition to obama is not moderate, true
    Have we had, in recent history, a GOP or DEM president that didn't govern from somewhere close to the middle, once elected?
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    IF that is the case, Obama wins again. There are too many voters out there who vote according to what does the most for them as individuals. And more of them are DEMS than GOP.
    It is short sighted thinking and will only add to deficits and debt. Surely you can see that from your extreme right position? Or do you need binoculars?
    Apparently the electorate didn't get the message this last election. this country is center right, not far left. What exactly did Obama win on Nov. 2, 2010?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sorry but bea.gov disagrees with you and that is the non partisan agency that records economic growth. The economy wasn't collapsing in the fourth qtr of 2008 because that is the quarter that TARP was implemented. Not sure where you get your information but I suggest non partisan sites and not leftwing sites that you apparently use. I learned a long time ago to trust but verify. I don't believe politicians of either side so give me just the facts. The recession ended in June 2009 and Obama has lost more jobs in 2010 than were lost in 2009.
    I'm not sure what you are reading (or smoking), but the BEA website does indeed suggest the US economy was collapsing in the 4th Qtr of 2008, a notion that is backed up by anyone that had owned a least one share of stock and had a pulse .

    http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/nati...gdp_glance.htm

    The recession did indeed end at some point in 2009, but as we know, jobs loss and job gain activity always trails the beginning and end of the recession, often by months. Accordingly, the job losses of the first part of 2009 are attributable to the recession delievered by GW. As to Obama's performance in fixing the problem.... well, at least this did not become a depression, thanks to quick bi-partisian actions during both the waning months of the Bush Presidency and the early months of the Obama presidency, but overall, I think Obama's performance has been very poor on the economy. He is showing himself to be a very weak president. While we can certainly place some of the blame on the Republicans in congress who are more interested in party than country, the President should be able to work through that kind of political shenanigans.

    It is unfortunate that our choice is between politicians from the party of the wimps and the party of the fools...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Apparently the electorate didn't get the message this last election. this country is center right, not far left. What exactly did Obama win on Nov. 2, 2010?
    Over confidence is a trap....and if Obama is half as smart as he gets credit for, he will spring that trap using the very words and actions of the GOP over the last few years. We could make every GOP politician aware of this, and they will find a way to ignore the danger.

    Obama won the WH by DEFAULT. The GOP sent in a few cheerleaders to play against a real jock. It can happen again...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I'm not sure what you are reading (or smoking), but the BEA website does indeed suggest the US economy was collapsing in the 4th Qtr of 2008, a notion that is backed up by anyone that had owned a least one share of stock and had a pulse .

    BEA : Gross Domestic Product (GDP) Graph

    The recession did indeed end at some point in 2009, but as we know, jobs loss and job gain activity always trails the beginning and end of the recession, often by months. Accordingly, the job losses of the first part of 2009 are attributable to the recession delievered by GW. As to Obama's performance in fixing the problem.... well, at least this did not become a depression, thanks to quick bi-partisian actions during both the waning months of the Bush Presidency and the early months of the Obama presidency, but overall, I think Obama's performance has been very poor on the economy. He is showing himself to be a very weak president. While we can certainly place some of the blame on the Republicans in congress who are more interested in party than country, the President should be able to work through that kind of political shenanigans.

    It is unfortunate that our choice is between politicians from the party of the wimps and the party of the fools...
    It is unfortunate that most people don't understand the foundation upon which our country was built. Never in history has unemployment been this bad after the end of a recession and the fact is the Obama policies do not promote the private sector thus are doing nothing positive thus the results. The recession began in December 2007 and went until June 2009. What did Obama do that caused the recession to end 5 months after the recession ended but has led to a jobless recovery?

    I have no use for Obama because of his policies which are anti growth, anti business, anti individual wealth creation, pro govt. growth, and thus creating a bigger nanny state. The people are waking up slowly but Nov. 2 was a sign of things to come.

    To be perfectly honest I have no use for RINO Republicans either but I do know what made this country great and it wasn't Obama style policies.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Over confidence is a trap....and if Obama is half as smart as he gets credit for, he will spring that trap using the very words and actions of the GOP over the last few years. We could make every GOP politician aware of this, and they will find a way to ignore the danger.

    Obama won the WH by DEFAULT. The GOP sent in a few cheerleaders to play against a real jock. It can happen again...
    The GOP sent a real weak candidate against someone who everyone wanted to believe and who spoke nothing but rhetoric. His resume showed an inexperienced candidate who would be in over his head and the results are showing that more should have paid attention to the resume.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The GOP sent a real weak candidate against someone who everyone wanted to believe and who spoke nothing but rhetoric. His resume showed an inexperienced candidate who would be in over his head and the results are showing that more should have paid attention to the resume.
    The fact remains, he won.....
    another fact remains, the GOP is in disarray, and labeling republicans who don't measure up to your standards isn't the best approach to deal with that disarray...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Sanity wins out over the biggest tax increase in U.S. History and the tax and Spend dreams of the "Trifecta of Doom."

    What is it about the simple idea that people who make over $250,000 a year are the ones who create the jobs.

    We don't need more taxes we need less spending. But if your a tax and spend Lefty you have a serious lack of mental acuity.
    yeah they "create the jobs" and then give those jobs to illegals.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The fact remains, he won.....
    another fact remains, the GOP is in disarray, and labeling republicans who don't measure up to your standards isn't the best approach to deal with that disarray...
    That is your opinion but the results speak for themselves. Doesn't matter what the Republicans do at this point but it will come January 2011 and that is when we will see if there is any real difference.

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