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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So that we are on the same page, what is your definition of far right extremism?
    Every other post is about:

    how unfair it is to expect the rich to pay more taxes than the rest of us...
    how only the rich "create" jobs...
    how expecting the rich to carry their own weight is class envy, or class warfare...
    how the unemployed are too lazy to go look for work...
    and various other form of BS...

    perhaps others will add to the list.

    I know plenty of people who are poor due to their own poor planning, but I also know plenty of middle class who have suddenly become poor thanks mostly to the greed on Wall Street.
    It is hard to sympathize with some of the newly poor. My son attends church with some who are wealthy, and he has been asked if he and his family are OK financially. He tells them that he was poor before this mess started, didn't have much, but owned all that he had, except his house, and he is able to keep up with that.
    It is the overextended who are hurting, and it is mostly their own fault, but I don't think it is a good idea to be kicking people when they are down.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Every other post is about:

    how unfair it is to expect the rich to pay more taxes than the rest of us...
    how only the rich "create" jobs...
    how expecting the rich to carry their own weight is class envy, or class warfare...
    how the unemployed are too lazy to go look for work...
    and various other form of BS...

    perhaps others will add to the list.

    I know plenty of people who are poor due to their own poor planning, but I also know plenty of middle class who have suddenly become poor thanks mostly to the greed on Wall Street.
    It is hard to sympathize with some of the newly poor. My son attends church with some who are wealthy, and he has been asked if he and his family are OK financially. He tells them that he was poor before this mess started, didn't have much, but owned all that he had, except his house, and he is able to keep up with that.
    It is the overextended who are hurting, and it is mostly their own fault, but I don't think it is a good idea to be kicking people when they are down.
    So many false statements here which shows lack of reseach and buying only leftwing rhetoric.

    The rich do pay more taxes than the "rest of us" as evidenced by the IRS data. Last year 47% of income earners, all at 50,000 a year or less paid zero Federal Income taxes. Is that fair?

    Only the rich or those trying to become rich create jobs. How many of those rich people started out rich?

    The rich do carry their own weight spending and saving their own money vs. others who have to take it from the rich to exist. In some places that is theft.

    What qualities does someone who has been out of work 2-3 years bring to the market place? You don't think that SOME of the terminal unemployed aren't lazy? I contend that they are and won't start looking for work until their "benefits" run out.

    There are plenty of people who are poor due to poor planning and a lot of people did lose money in Wall Street. No one however forced those people to invest in Wall Street. Was it greed that forced them to do that? Have you checked history regarding Wall Street investments vs. SS? Personal responsibility remains a problem in today's entitlement mentality and something you have never addressed.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    Currently, the far right are claiming to be the most ignorant...and are proud of it.
    tell it the voters of ohio, pennsylvania, new york, florida, virginia, wisconsin, michigan and illinois

    in those 8 bellwether battlegrounds alone, 32 house seats and 6 gubs (florida was already "red") switched sides, dem to gop

    ZERO went the other way

    in the senate (in just those 8 kingmaker commonwealths, mind you), my side gained 3 (toomey, johnson and portman), a fourth (florida) was already mine, and 2 more (virginia and michigan) had no upstairs seats in play

    while at the state level---we gained brand new control (just in time for GERRYMANDERING!) of the ny senate, pa house, ohio house, michigan house, wisconsin house and senate

    we own both houses and the gub in PA, OH, MI, WI, FL and VA

    yup, it's all an appeal to ignorance

    meanwhile, obamites know better

    LOL!

    seeya in '12, when more than a dozen upper house dem incumbents are genuinely in danger vs only ONE republican, chappaquiddick's scott brown

    party on

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    So many false statements here which shows lack of reseach and buying only leftwing rhetoric.

    The rich do pay more taxes than the "rest of us" as evidenced by the IRS data. Last year 47% of income earners, all at 50,000 a year or less paid zero Federal Income taxes. Is that fair?

    Only the rich or those trying to become rich create jobs. How many of those rich people started out rich?

    The rich do carry their own weight spending and saving their own money vs. others who have to take it from the rich to exist. In some places that is theft.

    What qualities does someone who has been out of work 2-3 years bring to the market place? You don't think that SOME of the terminal unemployed aren't lazy? I contend that they are and won't start looking for work until their "benefits" run out.

    There are plenty of people who are poor due to poor planning and a lot of people did lose money in Wall Street. No one however forced those people to invest in Wall Street. Was it greed that forced them to do that? Have you checked history regarding Wall Street investments vs. SS? Personal responsibility remains a problem in today's entitlement mentality and something you have never addressed.
    But I have said that we should all bear the burden, proportionately to our guilt. I have said that I have always paid taxes, even when poor, back in the days of everybody paying something at least. I have addressed poor planning by some, and greed by others. It is a given that SOME are abusing the system, among the poor, and to a greater extent among the rich. I have siblings who abuse the system, and have said so. No one forced us to invest in Wall Street? Why do you think the IRA was invented? Why did the govt make it easy for Wall Street to screw the small investor by turning a blind eye to the problem? Why doesn't the govt offer a reward program for Wall street employees to turn in their crooked bosses? Does anyone think the Madoff type financier operated in a vacuum? No, lots of people knew, and kept quiet.
    There are no level playing fields in fiance. The average citizen should do the one thing that will destroy Wall Street as it is, get out of it, and force it to become a tool that all can use without fear of losing all you have to more sophisticated (crooked) investors.
    I don't listen to pundits of either stripe, don't have to...it is clear, has been for decades, that the marketplace is a bait and switch operation, if not actual organized crime. I know several brokers and bankers who are out of luck at the time they should be retiring with a good portfolio. They worked inside the operation, at a lower level than the crooks, and still didn't see the hammer falling.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    tell it the voters of ohio, pennsylvania, new york, florida, virginia, wisconsin, michigan and illinois

    in those 8 bellwether battlegrounds alone, 32 house seats and 6 gubs (florida was already "red") switched sides, dem to gop

    ZERO went the other way

    in the senate (in just those 8 kingmaker commonwealths, mind you), my side gained 3 (toomey, johnson and portman), a fourth (florida) was already mine, and 2 more (virginia and michigan) had no upstairs seats in play

    while at the state level---we gained brand new control (just in time for GERRYMANDERING!) of the ny senate, pa house, ohio house, michigan house, wisconsin house and senate

    we own both houses and the gub in PA, OH, MI, WI, FL and VA

    yup, it's all an appeal to ignorance

    meanwhile, obamites know better

    LOL!

    seeya in '12, when more than a dozen upper house dem incumbents are genuinely in danger vs only ONE republican, chappaquiddick's scott brown

    party on
    I said just like the republican party has been hijacked by extremists...

    not sure what you thought it meant....

    The republican party has made a hard right turn, essentiallly a U turn, without knowing what direction we should go. BTW, I am a republican, believe it or not. And I started saying a long time ago that the GOP has lost touch with the public, and it will be thier fault if we get a dem in the WH.
    So far, I don't see a GOP candidate on the horizon. We have less than 2 years, people. Keep listening to the extremists, and Obama will win again...
    Either way, the debt will increase, the deficit will stay high. The GOP doens't have the balls to do what is needed to turn our economy around...
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    I said just like the republican party has been hijacked by extremists...

    not sure what you thought it meant....

    The republican party has made a hard right turn, essentiallly a U turn, without knowing what direction we should go. BTW, I am a republican, believe it or not. And I started saying a long time ago that the GOP has lost touch with the public, and it will be thier fault if we get a dem in the WH.
    So far, I don't see a GOP candidate on the horizon. We have less than 2 years, people. Keep listening to the extremists, and Obama will win again...
    Either way, the debt will increase, the deficit will stay high. The GOP doens't have the balls to do what is needed to turn our economy around...
    There is going to come a time when you wake up and realize that "extremism" which you claim the Republicans have is actually mainstream and you are out of it.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    But I have said that we should all bear the burden, proportionately to our guilt...

    Ubercons are mixing their koolaid a bit too strong and soon they might not be able to taste the special extra ingredient.
    on this thread alone, offerings from obamites:

    1. taxes are justice

    2. we should all contribute to assure we "get our fair share"

    3. we should pay in proportion to our guilt

    debate with such alien lines of thought is impossible, a waste of time, we simply do not speak the same language

    which is why LINKS must always trump

    and out there in the real world, where semantics and philosophies are forced to the bottom line, this deal is 100% done

    no tax increases in time of recession---econ 101

    write to senators feingold and his fellows, manchin and his mates

    explain to them about guilt and justice and each american's fair share

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is going to come a time when you wake up and realize that "extremism" which you claim the Republicans have is actually mainstream and you are out of it.
    obama's school (harvard law) of thought is today fringe

    as demontrated in the biggest wave election since 1938, the year after the great roosevelt recession

    as demonstrated by the senate's actions on the #1 issue of now, american's precise 2011 relationship with the irs

    party on, progressives

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    The republican party has made a hard right turn
    opposition to obama is not moderate, true

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    There is going to come a time when you wake up and realize that "extremism" which you claim the Republicans have is actually mainstream and you are out of it.
    IF that is the case, Obama wins again. There are too many voters out there who vote according to what does the most for them as individuals. And more of them are DEMS than GOP.
    It is short sighted thinking and will only add to deficits and debt. Surely you can see that from your extreme right position? Or do you need binoculars?
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