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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    hey, i'm all for charity, contribute myself, but you do know that many charities are struggling to meet the demand for their services, right?? i'm so tired of people on here, mostly from the right , accusing those who are unemployed , of being 'lazy, no good, pieces of ^^^^, who don't want to work, but on the other hand, screaming about the lack of jobs, AND THEN wanting to cut these people off from unemployment...can you turtle, can you promise me that the charities in this country can meet the demand for aid? can you? no, you can't. can they meet the need long term? again, no they can't. i've no problem with my government helping out those in need...is it abused by some? sure is..by all, no, no it isnt. in hard times this country is supposed to pull together, help each other out, not say to your neighbor, 'sorry, but i guess your just sh^^ outta luck'. that is a piss poor attitude to have, and when you are more concerned about having a few more dollars in your pocket than you are about your fellow citizens, that is a sad commentary on where this country is heading, and what this country is becoming. its not a left or right thing turtle, its about giving a f### about your fellow Americans....when you care more about a few extra bills in your wallet than you do about your fellow americans, that is piss poor.
    Tell us, logically, why people should "help their neighbor out". I'm not saying that I disagree with you, but you're basically making an appeal to emotion. What are some reasons that you think those who are less fortunate should receive assistance?
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Good list. Tell you what. Whenever you see someone actually say something like this, link to this list and call them on it.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    can you promise me that charities can handle all those who have need? or are you one of those that worries more about having a few dollars more in your wallet to buy a latte at starbucks? i'm not asking you to feel guilty for anything, if you have money thats great, if you don't, hey , thats great to, i don't judge you by how much you make.
    probably not given that high taxes prevent people from giving some more to charities. Your dem masters want to make it even more expensive to give to charities by cutting back on tax deductions for charitable contributions. Why is that?



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    from Turtle



    Hyperbole much? I prefer to think of it as demanding you pay your fair share or providing you with more suitable quarters to consider your crimes against the people.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Well, I won't hijack this thread with my theory of altruism, but I do disagree with you. Every act has a motitvation.
    you can define motivation so broadly your point is true but not a point that most would agree with. but as I noted if someone wants to help people because they like helping people that is the motivation you speak of.



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i'm so tired of people on here, mostly from the right , accusing those who are unemployed , of being 'lazy, no good, pieces of...
    in my opinion, no one should say such a thing, it is an outrageous thing to say

    in hard times this country is supposed to pull together, help each other
    we have, we do

    most americans feel we've gone too far

    we're changing direction now

    the wills of the electorate, of the senate are clear

    sorry, i guess

    when you care more about a few extra bills in your wallet than you do about your fellow americans...
    no one, i feel, is in any better position than any other to question the motives of those with whom one disagrees

    no one has a monopoly on caring

    senators webb, lieberman, manchin, nelson and feingold care as much for their neighbors, i would presume, as do chuck schumer and jay rockefeller

    they have a different recipe, apparently, for what ails us

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    can you promise me that charities can handle all those who have need? or are you one of those that worries more about having a few dollars more in your wallet to buy a latte at starbucks? i'm not asking you to feel guilty for anything, if you have money thats great, if you don't, hey , thats great to, i don't judge you by how much you make.
    Charities can't, and it is absurd to use the charity argument as a reason to cut government assistance. Human instinct tells us to fulfill our needs, wants, and desires, both basic and complex. Folks wh give to charity have specific wants that cause them to do so. However, these wants manifest themselves in different formats depending on the person. Some people want to feel good about themselves, so they give to charity. Others want that second jet, or the new big screen TV. It's about what makes the individual feel good.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Tell us, logically, why people should "help their neighbor out". I'm not saying that I disagree with you, but you're basically making an appeal to emotion. What are some reasons that you think those who are less fortunate should receive assistance?
    common decency....i can't see telling someone 'whats that? lost your job, sucks for you don't it? gonna be a bitch feeding the kids, not to mention yourself'. we send so many billions of dollars overseas in the form of 'aid', but we have a damn fit when it comes to helping our own...i'm not saying that foreign aid should be stopped, but why dont we take care of our own first? also, we spend billions upon billions on two wars, not saying that is right or wrong, but again, we have a fit when it comes to helping those in our population that have need. seems to me from my history classes, that when this country was first founded, we had to 'pull together' for the common good, especially when we were founding the colonies.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    you can define motivation so broadly your point is true but not a point that most would agree with. but as I noted if someone wants to help people because they like helping people that is the motivation you speak of.
    Yes, you have this correct.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    common decency....i can't see telling someone 'whats that? lost your job, sucks for you don't it? gonna be a bitch feeding the kids, not to mention yourself'. we send so many billions of dollars overseas in the form of 'aid', but we have a damn fit when it comes to helping our own...i'm not saying that foreign aid should be stopped, but why dont we take care of our own first? also, we spend billions upon billions on two wars, not saying that is right or wrong, but again, we have a fit when it comes to helping those in our population that have need. seems to me from my history classes, that when this country was first founded, we had to 'pull together' for the common good, especially when we were founding the colonies.
    Common decency doesn't cut it. Why should we be decent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Had you been born elsewhere or at a different time you may very well have chosen a different belief system.
    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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