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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How will increasing taxes put 16 million people back to work and paying taxes?
    Low taxes dont seem to be doing the trick either. So might as well pay down the deficit
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    hey, i'm all for charity, contribute myself, but you do know that many charities are struggling to meet the demand for their services, right?? i'm so tired of people on here, mostly from the right , accusing those who are unemployed , of being 'lazy, no good, pieces of ^^^^, who don't want to work, but on the other hand, screaming about the lack of jobs, AND THEN wanting to cut these people off from unemployment...can you turtle, can you promise me that the charities in this country can meet the demand for aid? can you? no, you can't. can they meet the need long term? again, no they can't. i've no problem with my government helping out those in need...is it abused by some? sure is..by all, no, no it isnt. in hard times this country is supposed to pull together, help each other out, not say to your neighbor, 'sorry, but i guess your just sh^^ outta luck'. that is a piss poor attitude to have, and when you are more concerned about having a few more dollars in your pocket than you are about your fellow citizens, that is a sad commentary on where this country is heading, and what this country is becoming. its not a left or right thing turtle, its about giving a f### about your fellow Americans....when you care more about a few extra bills in your wallet than you do about your fellow americans, that is piss poor.
    do you know what I am sick of

    1) claims that the rich somehow screwed people over to become rich

    2) claiming that the rich got rich on "the backs of the poor

    3) claiming that the rich can afford as many tax hikes as the democrats see fit to impose

    4) claiming that the rich don't pay their fair share even though the rich pay 20-40 times as much income tax as any other group (depends if you count the rich as the top 1 or 2 percent)

    5) claiming that the rich use far more government services than the 95% who pay less taxes than the top 5%

    6) claiming that the rich are responsible for the deficit, the lack of jobs etc

    7) claiming that if we don't support the schemes rich dems use to buy the votes of their minions, we are selfish and we don't care about other people

    8) claiming that as long as their are poor people or people out of job we ought to feel guilty about having money or jobs



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    one of the great lies perpetrated by the socialist and democrat party left is that if someone opposes the government forcibly redistributing income that person must be selfish or greedy. Its the way rich dems demonize their opponents and its the way the dependent democrats justify suckling from the public teat and damning those who want to cut back on the milk coming from that teat.

    In reality, most of us who oppose forced income redistribution are not only in favor of private charity, we tend to support it at much higher rates than similarly situated democrats or welfare socialists.

    Nothing is more greedy and self centered than demanding others contribute at the point of a gun while you do not.
    Actually, everyone IS selfish and greedy. It is a prime mover in all of our actions and behaviors. This is why one cannot separate economics from human psychology.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post

    Low taxs dont seem to be doing the trick either.
    but low taxes help us taxpayers and mean less money of ours for the government to waste or use to buy the votes of people who have your political lean



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Actually, everyone IS selfish and greedy. It is a prime mover in all of our actions and behaviors. This is why one cannot separate economics from human psychology.
    mostly true but not always. I know people who are purely altruistic. There are people who do stuff that does not objectively benefit themselves but you can always claim it makes the giver feel better which is not subject to objective proof.



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you know what I am sick of

    1) claims that the rich somehow screwed people over to become rich

    2) claiming that the rich got rich on "the backs of the poor

    3) claiming that the rich can afford as many tax hikes as the democrats see fit to impose

    4) claiming that the rich don't pay their fair share even though the rich pay 20-40 times as much income tax as any other group (depends if you count the rich as the top 1 or 2 percent)

    5) claiming that the rich use far more government services than the 95% who pay less taxes than the top 5%

    6) claiming that the rich are responsible for the deficit, the lack of jobs etc

    7) claiming that if we don't support the schemes rich dems use to buy the votes of their minions, we are selfish and we don't care about other people

    8) claiming that as long as their are poor people or people out of job we ought to feel guilty about having money or jobs
    Good list. Tell you what. Whenever you see someone actually say something like this, link to this list and call them on it.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    mostly true but not always. I know people who are purely altruistic. There are people who do stuff that does not objectively benefit themselves but you can always claim it makes the giver feel better which is not subject to objective proof.
    Well, I won't hijack this thread with my theory of altruism, but I do disagree with you. Every act has a motitvation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You can't paint everone with the same brush.......It does not work tht way.


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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    It a person has faith they dont need to convince another of it, and when a non believer is not interested in listening to the word of the lord, " you shake the dust from your sandels and move on"

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Low taxes dont seem to be doing the trick either. So might as well pay down the deficit
    Certainly no logic or common sense in your world. Raising taxes means less take home pay for all Americans thus lower spending, and lower profits which then means lower business taxes. so now we still have high unemployment and now lower corporate taxes and you think that is good? That doesn't make any sense at all.

    What you ignore and all liberals ignore is the tax revenue increase after the Bush tax cuts of 2003 that came from 8.5 million jobs created and higher corporate taxes. Now you believe that raising taxes somehow will lower the deficit with that many people unemployed? Sorry, that is real voodoo economics.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    do you know what I am sick of

    1) claims that the rich somehow screwed people over to become rich

    2) claiming that the rich got rich on "the backs of the poor

    3) claiming that the rich can afford as many tax hikes as the democrats see fit to impose

    4) claiming that the rich don't pay their fair share even though the rich pay 20-40 times as much income tax as any other group (depends if you count the rich as the top 1 or 2 percent)

    5) claiming that the rich use far more government services than the 95% who pay less taxes than the top 5%

    6) claiming that the rich are responsible for the deficit, the lack of jobs etc

    7) claiming that if we don't support the schemes rich dems use to buy the votes of their minions, we are selfish and we don't care about other people

    8) claiming that as long as their are poor people or people out of job we ought to feel guilty about having money or jobs
    can you promise me that charities can handle all those who have need? or are you one of those that worries more about having a few dollars more in your wallet to buy a latte at starbucks? i'm not asking you to feel guilty for anything, if you have money thats great, if you don't, hey , thats great to, i don't judge you by how much you make.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Nothing is more greedy and self centered than demanding others contribute at the point of a gun while you do not.
    Hyperbole much? I prefer to think of it as demanding you pay your fair share or providing you with more suitable quarters to consider your crimes against the people.
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