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House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

Did they earn it on their own, or is their success due, in part, to a societal framework which is conducive to such prosperity? If the latter is true, then those whose profit from society owe that society the same opportunities that they capitalized on to enrich themselves.

When it comes to the wealthy, this means picking up the slack in tax revenues.

Equal opportunity for all, not equal out comes.
If you earn your money by legal means, that's what counts.
This administation is setting up a framework that is not conducive to prosperity, but dependence on government instead.
 
Equal opportunity for all, not equal out comes.If you earn your money by legal means, that's what counts.
This administation is setting up a framework that is not conducive to prosperity, but dependence on government instead.
Please direct this inane platitude at someone to whom it is relevant. Nobody is talking about equal results but you.
 
I honestly do not understand what your point is, or how you refuted what I said.

Maybe you could call me "sonny boy" or "young whippersnapper" some more. That should enhance your argument.

My post is exactly to the point, you and others are more worried about who pays what in taxes and how much someone else makes instead of worrying about how the money is spent. It is a slippery slope when the govt. gets involved in personal responsibility issues and earning income is a personal issue which you control. Why don't you have outrage over the money our govt. spends? It is a spending problem, not a revenue problem and anytime someone promotes class warfare it deverts from that reality.
 
Please direct this inane platitude at someone to whom it is relevant. Nobody is talking about equal results but you.

Tell us what "very liberal" means because all I see from very liberal people is jealousy and promotion of bigger govt. Is profit a four letter word in your world? Think it is right that 47% of the income earners in this country don't pay any Federal Income taxes?
 
What? LOL, holy moly.

So you think I invested in the stock market as a charity donation for the international community?


When they see a fat man and a skinny man, they think the fat man is fat because he stole food from the skinny man.
 
Tell us what "very liberal" means because all I see from very liberal people is jealousy and promotion of bigger govt. Is profit a four letter word in your world? Think it is right that 47% of the income earners in this country don't pay any Federal Income taxes?
Would you care to tell me exactly in what way I'm "jealous" of anything? Quit babbling like an idiot.

My post is exactly to the point, you and others are more worried about who pays what in taxes and how much someone else makes instead of worrying about how the money is spent. It is a slippery slope when the govt. gets involved in personal responsibility issues and earning income is a personal issue which you control. Why don't you have outrage over the money our govt. spends? It is a spending problem, not a revenue problem and anytime someone promotes class warfare it deverts from that reality.
I agree, it's a spending issue. The government is spending more money than is responsible, and then they're forced to take foreign loans to back it up. Why? Because of the masochistic idea that progressive taxation is class warfare. Our government should be spending more, not less. Of course, it can't do this because of plutocratic nutjobs like you.
 
Would you care to tell me exactly in what way I'm "jealous" of anything? Quit babbling like an idiot.


I agree, it's a spending issue. The government is spending more money than is responsible, and then they're forced to take foreign loans to back it up. Why? Because of the masochistic idea that progressive taxation is class warfare. Our government should be spending more, not less. Of course, it can't do this because of plutocratic nutjobs like you.

LOL, now that is funny, you calling me a plutocratic nutjob. Thanks for the Saturday entertainment, bet you are a real "hoot" at parties. Looks to me like someone needs a nap or a pacifier but more importantly you need a history and civics lesson. Educate yourself and read about the Founders, then read the Constitution. What you are promoting never sold with the founders but like the good little liberal socialist that you are, incrementalism was working for you until this last election. Seems that the majority in this country no longer buy into your big govt., higher spending mantra. Our govt. doesn't spend their money they spend ours. Do your part and send your entire paycheck to the govt. and let them send you back what they think you deserve or need. you want bigger govt. nothing is stopping you. Put your money where your mouth is.
 
LOL, now that is funny, you calling me a plutocratic nutjob. Thanks for the Saturday entertainment, bet you are a real "hoot" at parties. Looks to me like someone needs a nap or a pacifier but more importantly you need a history and civics lesson. Educate yourself and read about the Founders, then read the Constitution. What you are promoting never sold with the founders but like the good little liberal socialist that you are, incrementalism was working for you until this last election. Seems that the majority in this country no longer buy into your big govt., higher spending mantra. Our govt. doesn't spend their money they spend ours. Do your part and send your entire paycheck to the govt. and let them send you back what they think you deserve or need. you want bigger govt. nothing is stopping you. Put your money where your mouth is.
Oh, this is good.

Here, let me make your arguments for you:

"SOCIALISM!!!"
"JEALOUSY!!!"
"CLASS WARFARE!!!"
"THE FOUNDERS!!!"

I don't give a damn what the Founders intended, you half-wit monkey. The Founders no longer hold elected offices. It isn't their country, it's ours. As long as we don't live in a necrocratic cult society, I'll continue to advocate my views as permitted under our precious Constitution. If you want your political ideals to be the result of over two centuries of intellectual stagnation, then that's your prerogative. Just cut the crap and admit that you're a backward lumpenprole.
 
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Oh, this is good.

Here, let me make your arguments for you:

"SOCIALISM!!!"
"JEALOUSY!!!"
"CLASS WARFARE!!!"
"THE FOUNDERS!!!"

I don't give a damn what the Founders intended, you half-wit monkey. The Founders no longer hold elected offices. It isn't their country, it's ours. As long as we don't live in a necrocratic cult society, I'll continue to advocate my views as permitted under our precious Constitution. If you want your political ideals to be the result of over two centuries of intellectual stagnation, then that's your prerogative. Just cut the crap and admit that you're a backward lumpenprole.

Conservative just got Kaleta'd

 
Oh, this is good.

Here, let me make your arguments for you:

"SOCIALISM!!!"
"JEALOUSY!!!"
"CLASS WARFARE!!!"
"THE FOUNDERS!!!"

I don't give a damn what the Founders intended, you half-wit monkey. The Founders no longer hold elected offices. It isn't their country, it's ours. As long as we don't live in a necrocratic cult society, I'll continue to advocate my views as permitted under our precious Constitution. If you want your political ideals to be the result of over two centuries of intellectual stagnation, then that's your prerogative. Just cut the crap and admit that you're a backward lumpenprole.

The election of Nov. 2 did just that, kicked you socialists out of power. Back to the drawing board for you. Sorry, but the reality is you are going to have to make it on your own and be held accountable for your own screwups. Thanks for the name calling as it definitely strengthens your argument,
:rofl
 
534 members of congress are capitalists. There is but one prince of darkness!




edit sorry minor dyslexia lol
 
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The election of Nov. 2 did just that, kicked you socialists out of power. Back to the drawing board for you. Sorry, but the reality is you are going to have to make it on your own and be held accountable for your own screwups. Thanks for the name calling as it definitely strengthens your argument,
:rofl
Where are all of these socialists? If the Democrats were socialists, I'm sure it would've been mentioned in our newsletter.

To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens:

If Bill Clinton was a socialist, I think I would know by now. There aren't very many of us and we're generally sort of "in touch."

It's nice to see that you have no argument to offer at all, which is why you had to reference an election that has nothing to do with this discussion.
 
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Where are all of these socialists? If the Democrats were socialists, I'm sure it would've been mentioned in our newsletter.

To paraphrase Christopher Hitchens:

If Bill Clinton was a socialist, I think I would know by now. There aren't very many of us and we're generally sort of "in touch."

It's nice to see that you have no argument to offer at all, which is why you had to reference an election that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Bill Clinton isn't in office but keep trying to divert from the mess Obama has created. So since Clinton is off topic let's get back on topic. Houses Passes Middle Class tax cut......... which of course is a lie. There is no Tax cut for the Middle Class only extension of the Bush tax cuts and those should be extended for ALL taxpayers. I have seen no valid argument supporting the extension of tax cuts for one group and expiration on another. Belief in
 
But the 47% not paying taxes are probably supplying 98% of the enlisted troops...

As someone who served for seven years, how about you back that up with something credible. Thanks.
 
Bill Clinton isn't in office but keep trying to divert from the mess Obama has created. So since Clinton is off topic let's get back on topic. Houses Passes Middle Class tax cut......... which of course is a lie. There is no Tax cut for the Middle Class only extension of the Bush tax cuts and those should be extended for ALL taxpayers. I have seen no valid argument supporting the extension of tax cuts for one group and expiration on another. Belief in
So, in addition to missing the point, you failed to uncover all of these closet socialists.

Thanks for trying.
 
Did they earn it on their own, or is their success due, in part, to a societal framework which is conducive to such prosperity? If the latter is true, then those whose profit from society owe that society the same opportunities that they capitalized on to enrich themselves.

When it comes to the wealthy, this means picking up the slack in tax revenues.

How about you tell us how many families with income between $250-500K per year did or did not "earn it on their own". Maybe 'splain "societal framework conducive to prosperity" vs. my preferred version "economic framework conducive to earning it" ;)

Please, no platitudes as responses. Thanks in advance !
 
534 members of congress are capitalists. There is but one prince of darkness!




edit sorry minor dyslexia lol


Bernie is the only admitted
socialist in Congress.
Seems he is very interested in the top 1% of tax payers, yet neglects this


To put this in perspective, the top 1 percent is comprised of just 1.4 million taxpayers and they pay a larger share of the income tax burden now than the bottom 134 million taxpayers combined.
The Tax Foundation - Tax Burden of Top 1% Now Exceeds That of Bottom 95%
 
Bernie is the only admitted
socialist in Congress.
Seems he is very interested in the top 1% of tax payers, yet neglects this


To put this in perspective, the top 1 percent is comprised of just 1.4 million taxpayers and they pay a larger share of the income tax burden now than the bottom 134 million taxpayers combined.
The Tax Foundation - Tax Burden of Top 1% Now Exceeds That of Bottom 95%

I would hope that they pay more than the bottom 95%? The top 1 percent includes multi-billionaires? lol try again?
 
How about you tell us how many families with income between $250-500K per year did or did not "earn it on their own".
I already stated explicitly that no one achieves wealth entirely on their own initiative.
Maybe 'splain "societal framework conducive to prosperity" vs. my preferred version "economic framework conducive to earning it"
First of all, I don't give a damn what your "preferred version" is.

Secondly, you don't live in a third world country. You live in a country where everyone is, to some extent, dependent on the labor of others. It's a simple division of labor. Nobody would be where they are today if society didn't have every kind of labor -- from burger flippers to loggers. You are, to one degree on another, dependent on others to uphold a society that permits you to secure wealth and then secures that wealth for you from theft.

You can't be a lawyer without people to pass laws and then people to judge cases, or without people to teach your law classes, or without people who make all of the paper you use. If you worked hard in law school, good for you, but other people's labor made it possible, not just your own. In exchange for all of that, it's incumbent on you to do your part to ensure a society where everyone has the same opportunities as you.

Now, respond without blabbering about the Founders or a rant about personal responsibility. Thanks in advance.
 
Bernie is the only admitted
socialist in Congress.
Seems he is very interested in the top 1% of tax payers, yet neglects this


To put this in perspective, the top 1 percent is comprised of just 1.4 million taxpayers and they pay a larger share of the income tax burden now than the bottom 134 million taxpayers combined.
The Tax Foundation - Tax Burden of Top 1% Now Exceeds That of Bottom 95%
Good, now why don't you tell us who the other socialists are, and how you came to the conclusion that they are socialists.
 
Curious headline. There is no tax cut. No tax cut is being proposed. The issue is whether or not taxes are going to be increased, which seems to be a message that is escaping even the copy editors.....
Your newspeak is strong.

If there had been no vote on the issue at all what would have happened?
 
I don't give a damn what the Founders intended, you half-wit monkey.

whoa, someone's losing his or her self control

anyway, the whole thing is rather moot, it's a DONE DEAL

taxes will NOT be raised on anyone, not even those wealthy greedheads who got where they are because of conducive societal frameworks

it all went down in the senate THIS MORNING

thanks, once more, to combat boots webb, jiltin joe lieberman, bye bye evan bayh, contrarian kent conrad (budget chair), malcontent joe manchin...

sorry
 
whoa, someone's losing his or her self control

anyway, the whole thing is rather moot, it's a DONE DEAL

taxes will NOT be raised on anyone, not even those wealthy greedheads who got where they are because of conducive societal frameworks

it all went down in the senate THIS MORNING

thanks, once more, to combat boots webb, jiltin joe lieberman, bye bye evan bayh, contrarian kent conrad (budget chair), malcontent joe manchin...

sorry
That's a crying shame, but it's hardly a done deal. Nothing is a done deal in politics, ever.

And nobody wanted to "raise" taxes, only to lift the ridiculous cuts. I'm glad it happened, actually. A complete collapse of our economic system opens the door for a third, left-wing party that has a mind the completely revamp the American economic system. As long as American capitalism functions, it will be maintained by the powers that be. This may actually be a chance for us to rise like the phoenix out of the ashes.
 
So, in addition to missing the point, you failed to uncover all of these closet socialists.

Thanks for trying.

If you want me to uncover the closet socialists start another thread. That isn't the thread topic but it does give you the opportunity to see your name in print and to divert from the thread topic. Being very liberal means nothing but diversion and off topic posts. Thanks for playing.
 
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