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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    nope, i'm asking you...conservative, where are the jobs? they certainly can't all be in texas, with a 7.8% unemployment rate and all....
    For all those Democrat politicians in Ohio that just lost their jobs ..... send 'em to Texas. More jobs there. Hurry though, cause there's a bunch of Dems in D.C. needing new jobs too.

    Why don't you change your label to "Where duh jobs ?" btw.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    nope, i'm asking you...conservative, where are the jobs? they certainly can't all be in texas, with a 7.8% unemployment rate and all....
    You can ask and get the same answer, you don't like the answer, they are in TX and other pro business, pro growth states like Ohio used to be. Obama has taken the advantages provided by the tax cuts and destroyed 4 million more by creating uncertainty and the potential for higher costs for hiring. I don't expect you to understand that as a wage slave since magically on payday a paycheck shows up. In the meantime and since the Bush tax cuts are still benefiting you, I hope you are putting some of that aside for a "rainy day" since I have a feeling one is coming your direction at any time now.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    For all those Democrat politicians in Ohio that just lost their jobs ..... send 'em to Texas. More jobs there. Hurry though, cause there's a bunch of Dems in D.C. needing new jobs too.

    Why don't you change your label to "Where duh jobs ?" btw.
    LOL, Democrat Politicians in TX are a dying breed, 20 more state legislative positions went Republican on Nov. 2, Thanks President Obama! You have awakened an nation.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    For all those Democrat politicians in Ohio that just lost their jobs ..... send 'em to Texas. More jobs there. Hurry though, cause there's a bunch of Dems in D.C. needing new jobs too.

    Why don't you change your label to "Where duh jobs ?" btw.
    yeah the dems took a bath here in ohio. Sadly the most qualified guy-richard Cordray lost as well to RINO MIke DeWhine

    but watching idiots like steve Driehaus take a bath was great



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    So what? The rich pay more in taxes and have higher base thus get back a higher number but the same percentage. Seems like a hard concept for you to grasp.
    So What? You don't mind the middle-class getting screwed so the rich can get more money? You need to do a little research. Most of the ubber wealthy pay a lot lower rate (16%), because most of their income comes from capital gains. They also have many more tax shelters and loopholes than the middle class, so yes, the more money you make the more money you are going to pay, but if the rates are disproportionate, the middle class gets to keep less of their money than the rich.
    What is your "big" interest in protecting the wealthy people's tax cuts? We've already seen that the tax cuts didn't help the economy, neither did they provide jobs, so please explain what your interest is.

    Don't tell me that you are being "fair" - because you don't seem to care about the unemployed losing their benefits.

    Do you see those not asking for the money back sending more to the Federal Govt? Why not?
    Those not asking for the money back are the same wealthy that you are fighting for and of course they are not sending more to the Federal Government. Why not? Only a real dunce would not be able to answer that. Because everyone wants to keep more of their money. But, our country is in dire need, if anybody would want to help the country, the super wealthy should be the first, since they are the ones that can most afford it. Your party keeps saying no more deficit spending, but when it comes to the rich, they look the other way?

    Why do you care if the rich get to keep more of what they earn?
    I don't care if the rich get to keep more of what they earn, I care that they get to keep more of what they earn than the middle-class person. Why don't you? Are you one of the super wealthy?

    Here we go again, someone who doesn't understand the concept of earning money and keeping more of what one earns.
    There is a difference in earning and keeping more of what one earns and giving the super wealthy big tax cuts so they get to keep more money than others that are not as wealthy.
    Giving the rich more money? Who is giving the rich more money? You don't seem to understand it is their money? You work for the govt?
    Yes, it is their money, so is my money mine. So, why did Bush give the super wealthy bigger tax cuts? Why are they allowed more loopholes so they don't have to pay as much. It seems to me that you don't understand what is going on. Faux News and Rush Limbaugh have got you so brainwashed - of course, commentators on Faux News and Rush Limbaugh are super wealthy, it is in their best interest.

    Yep, buying what this Administration tells you since they have been so accurate on all their predictions. What makes you so sure that any tax increase will generate more revenue to the Federal Govt.
    By the very nature that the super rich will be paying more in taxes, that will increase revenue. Plus, not having to borrow $700B to give them the tax cuts (that is what it will cost the U.S.), that is $700B money the gov saves.

    and that the govt. will use it to lower the deficit and/or debt?
    Well, your party seem to think that the Stimulus and the Tarp were only hurting the country, why don't they feel the same about the tax cuts for the super wealthy? They are all about the same amount of money. The difference being, the Stimulus and the Tarp were an effort to help the economy, the tax cuts for the rich are an effort to help only the rich.

    700billion over 10 years with my math means 70 billion a year. The 700billion sounds better doesn't it vs. 70 billion. If all that money got to the govt, and it was used to lower the deficit we would have had a 1.23 trillion deficit instead of 1.3 trillion deficit, Now doesn't that make you feel better?
    Well, it seems to have made Tea Partiers better had the Stimulus $700B, and the Tarp $700B were not spent, so how come the $700B tax cuts don't seem to bother them anymore?


    Right, it was Bush's fault that Obama lost 4 million jobs the last two years. Didn't he "bring us back from the brink" or was that just another lie? If this is the education you are getting from the schools we are indeed doomed.
    Don't rewrite History. It is a fact that Bush's policies (tax cuts for the rich and two unnecessary wars) put the country in the toilet. Obama has been trying, even against the efforts of the Republican party to thwart them, to help the economy recover as well help those hit by the recession, and there has been some progress made. Bush outsourced a lot of our work to China and other countries, you have that to be proud of.

    And, as a matter of fact, Corporations are doing great in profits, but are still not hiring. Are they just trying to keep more money to themselves?

    Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars
    According to a new report (PDF) from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. corporate profits are at an all-time high, despite the turbulent economy. At the same time, the real unemployment rate remains astronomically high, affecting some 1 in 5 Americans.


    Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars | AlterNet

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    yeah the dems took a bath here in ohio. Sadly the most qualified guy-richard Cordray lost as well to RINO MIke DeWhine

    but watching idiots like steve Driehaus take a bath was great
    My Father-in-Law was tickled to death to see Chabot win and thus nothing else mattered.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    You can ask and get the same answer, you don't like the answer, they are in TX and other pro business, pro growth states like Ohio used to be. Obama has taken the advantages provided by the tax cuts and destroyed 4 million more by creating uncertainty and the potential for higher costs for hiring. I don't expect you to understand that as a wage slave since magically on payday a paycheck shows up. In the meantime and since the Bush tax cuts are still benefiting you, I hope you are putting some of that aside for a "rainy day" since I have a feeling one is coming your direction at any time now.
    don't worry about me bud....is it pissing you off my constant asking of where are the jobs? then answer the question..you are the one wanting to cut all benefits for those out of work...just exactly what do you expect these people to do? please don't give the line of bs with 'personal responsibility' or mention texas again, as texas apparently doesnt have enough jobs for its citizens...where are the jobs conservative?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    My Father-in-Law was tickled to death to see Chabot win and thus nothing else mattered.
    I just got an invitation to "send Steve off to washington" at the Queen City Club on December 15th. even though I am not in his district I gave him alot of money and met with him to discuss pro gun strategies



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    So What? You don't mind the middle-class getting screwed so the rich can get more money? You need to do a little research. Most of the ubber wealthy pay a lot lower rate (16%), because most of their income comes from capital gains. They also have many more tax shelters and loopholes than the middle class, so yes, the more money you make the more money you are going to pay, but if the rates are disproportionate, the middle class gets to keep less of their money than the rich.
    What is your "big" interest in protecting the wealthy people's tax cuts? We've already seen that the tax cuts didn't help the economy, neither did they provide jobs, so please explain what your interest is.

    Don't tell me that you are being "fair" - because you don't seem to care about the unemployed losing their benefits.


    Those not asking for the money back are the same wealthy that you are fighting for and of course they are not sending more to the Federal Government. Why not? Only a real dunce would not be able to answer that. Because everyone wants to keep more of their money. But, our country is in dire need, if anybody would want to help the country, the super wealthy should be the first, since they are the ones that can most afford it. Your party keeps saying no more deficit spending, but when it comes to the rich, they look the other way?


    I don't care if the rich get to keep more of what they earn, I care that they get to keep more of what they earn than the middle-class person. Why don't you? Are you one of the super wealthy?


    There is a difference in earning and keeping more of what one earns and giving the super wealthy big tax cuts so they get to keep more money than others that are not as wealthy.

    Yes, it is their money, so is my money mine. So, why did Bush give the super wealthy bigger tax cuts? Why are they allowed more loopholes so they don't have to pay as much. It seems to me that you don't understand what is going on. Faux News and Rush Limbaugh have got you so brainwashed - of course, commentators on Faux News and Rush Limbaugh are super wealthy, it is in their best interest.


    By the very nature that the super rich will be paying more in taxes, that will increase revenue. Plus, not having to borrow $700B to give them the tax cuts (that is what it will cost the U.S.), that is $700B money the gov saves.


    Well, your party seem to think that the Stimulus and the Tarp were only hurting the country, why don't they feel the same about the tax cuts for the super wealthy? They are all about the same amount of money. The difference being, the Stimulus and the Tarp were an effort to help the economy, the tax cuts for the rich are an effort to help only the rich.


    Well, it seems to have made Tea Partiers better had the Stimulus $700B, and the Tarp $700B were not spent, so how come the $700B tax cuts don't seem to bother them anymore?



    Don't rewrite History. It is a fact that Bush's policies (tax cuts for the rich and two unnecessary wars) put the country in the toilet. Obama has been trying, even against the efforts of the Republican party to thwart them, to help the economy recover as well help those hit by the recession, and there has been some progress made. Bush outsourced a lot of our work to China and other countries, you have that to be proud of.

    And, as a matter of fact, Corporations are doing great in profits, but are still not hiring. Are they just trying to keep more money to themselves?

    Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars
    According to a new report (PDF) from the Bureau of Economic Analysis, U.S. corporate profits are at an all-time high, despite the turbulent economy. At the same time, the real unemployment rate remains astronomically high, affecting some 1 in 5 Americans.


    Something's Wrong With This Picture: Corporations Have Most Profitable Quarter in U.S. History as Unemployment Soars | AlterNet

    I have to run now, do volunteer work, so don't think my not responding right away means that you have shut me down. I noticed you accuse others of that.
    how do the rich screw the middle class? do you think Rafa Nadal screws the weaker players on the tour?



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    So What? You don't mind the middle-class getting screwed so the rich can get more money? You need to do a little research. Most of the ubber wealthy pay a lot lower rate (16%), because most of their income comes from capital gains. They also have many more tax shelters and loopholes than the middle class, so yes, the more money you make the more money you are going to pay, but if the rates are disproportionate, the middle class gets to keep less of their money than the rich..
    And if we were talking about raising the capital gains rate on the "uber rich," that would be one thing. Instead, we're talking about raising income tax rates on people earning more than $200k.

    The Tax Foundation - Summary of Latest Federal Individual Income Tax Data

    The average fed income tax rate for someone in the bottom 50% of earners is 2.49%. For the next 25%, it's 6.75%. For the next 15%, it's 9.29%. Those are not even close to the rates paid by the "uber rich."

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    don't worry about me bud....is it pissing you off my constant asking of where are the jobs? then answer the question..you are the one wanting to cut all benefits for those out of work...just exactly what do you expect these people to do? please don't give the line of bs with 'personal responsibility' or mention texas again, as texas apparently doesnt have enough jobs for its citizens...where are the jobs conservative?

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