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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Do you have any idea how lame it is to see liberals fall back on the "marginal rate" arguments, claiming that we had uber-high marginal rates in teh past, and everyone survived. What we also had were mega deductions and exemptions, such that the net rate paid was below half the usual marginal rate back then. Do you think folks were really paying 80-90% of their income in tax ?

    It is also lame to have folks make all these claims over and over, as you have in many of your posts, and provide zero credible sources for it. When asked, they post more nonsense. Its getting pretty stupid.
    And you know Deuce what is even more lame? for right wingers like you to assert all this without any evidence.

    Yeah I know, True Believers do not need evidence when they have faith.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The irony of this statement is stunning . Apparently you don't realize that Reaganomics is what delivered us into the economic depression we are in right now, and is the reason why the USA is in decline as a world power.
    Oh, well if some guy on the internet says so, I guess that's that.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    How do you handle this superior intelligence that you have knowing what someone else needs? Where do you get your expertise and why do you believe that the govt. can spend the money better and smarter than the individual? I am sure that when you get less income that you always keep your spending the same or more, right? If you really have a problem with the tax cut then feel free to send it back. I will let the govt. know to expect it.



    You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of one, whose money it is in the first place and two, that spending, not revenue that is the problem. There is nothing to prevent anyone from sending their tax cuts back to the treasury.

    As for extending the benefits to the unemployed, how long do you think we should fund people to stay at home? Right now it is two years so that isn't enough? What are you doing to help the unemployed?



    Just like a typical big govt. liberal, let's send more to the govt so they can spend it on the things they need vs. the individual keeping the money and spending on the charities of their choice. I love how liberals tell us how the rich "suck the life out of the country" but when asked how allowing the rich to keep more of what they earn I get silence.

    Here are the line items for the budget, so for these we need higher taxes

    Expenses

    Defense
    International Affairs
    Gen. Science, Space
    Energy
    Natural resources/env
    Agriculture
    Commerce
    Transportation
    Community Dev
    Education/Train/Social
    Health
    Veterans Benefits
    Justice
    General Govt.
    Net Interest

    My bet is you didn't have a clue as to what income taxes funded.




    Keep showing us that liberal intelligence as it provides great entertainment on a Sunday. "Dems are the ones extending a hand to the needy?" Really, can you site for me the source of that statement? Stereotyping is what you and other liberals do best. There is absolutely nothing moderate in anything you have posted.
    again, all these unemployed that are supposedly 'staying home' , exactly where are the jobs for all them? where conservative where?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The irony of this statement is stunning . Apparently you don't realize that Reaganomics is what delivered us into the economic depression we are in right now, and is the reason why the USA is in decline as a world power.
    Ever pay 17% for a home mortage? Guess you didn't get your newest IPad or IPhone which makes it a depression for you. Now it is Reagan's fault that Obama has lost 4 million jobs in 2 years and added 3 trillion to the debt? Thanks for the good laugh today. I love having liberals calling themselves libertarian.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    again, all these unemployed that are supposedly 'staying home' , exactly where are the jobs for all them? where conservative where?
    Plenty of jobs in TX, sorry your state is so screwed up. In the meantime since you have a problem with the Bush tax cut, when can I tell the govt. to expect a check from you to pay back the tax cuts you are getting?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Do you have any idea how lame it is to see liberals fall back on the "marginal rate" arguments, claiming that we had uber-high marginal rates in teh past, and everyone survived. What we also had were mega deductions and exemptions, such that the net rate paid was below half the usual marginal rate back then. Do you think folks were really paying 80-90% of their income in tax ?

    It is also lame to have folks make all these claims over and over, as you have in many of your posts, and provide zero credible sources for it. When asked, they post more nonsense. Its getting pretty stupid.
    good point-back in those days there were Jim Crow Laws, Jews were excluded from many professional firms and Japanese Americans were treated with contempt. Blacks Jews and Japanese Americans managed to survive that nasty treatment as well. Libs operate under the delusion that high taxes on the rich are the natural order of things and less than punitive tax rates are some sort of aberation



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you know Deuce what is even more lame? for right wingers like you to assert all this without any evidence.

    Yeah I know, True Believers do not need evidence when they have faith.
    When the top tax rate was 91%, it kicked in on incomes over $400k.

    $400k in 1960 dollars is $2.8 million in 2009 dollars.

    Despite that, people continuously make foolish statements like "Oh well we had a tax rate of 91% in the past so raising taxes on people earning more than $200k is obviously okay!"
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    And you know Deuce what is even more lame? for right wingers like you to assert all this without any evidence.

    Yeah I know, True Believers do not need evidence when they have faith.
    Sounds to me like you are a true believer in the massive Federal Govt. we have and that these bureaucrats need the money more than the individuals who earned it in the first place. Are you sending your Bush tax cut back after you receive a paycheck? Let me know when the govt. can expect it?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Plenty of jobs in TX, sorry your state is so screwed up. In the meantime since you have a problem with the Bush tax cut, when can I tell the govt. to expect a check from you to pay back the tax cuts you are getting?
    hmmm...texas have enough jobs for everyone who is currently unemployed?? no, no they do not. not by a long shot. so again conservative, where are the jobs you promised that would be created?? where?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    When the top tax rate was 91%, it kicked in on incomes over $400k.

    $400k in 1960 dollars is $2.8 million in 2009 dollars.

    Despite that, people continuously make foolish statements like "Oh well we had a tax rate of 91% in the past so raising taxes on people earning more than $200k is obviously okay!"
    What they also ignore is what the effective actual rate was after deductions which were a lot more generous then including charitable giving deductions.

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