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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    cyber slurp...thats funny i asked because i was curious to see what your response would be, as you appear to be an ardent supporter of the rich...
    I am an ardent supporter of preventing the many from voting up the taxes of the most productive tax payers.

    and yes, under the dems' definition I am "Rich"

    you do know that one of the main reasons why a progressive income tax was enacted was a power grab by congress. If there was a flat tax or a consumption tax, congress couldn't gain power by telling people like you that they will make people like me pay more taxes to pay for what you want. and on the other hand, the GOP couldn't cater to me by telling me they will prevent the people you vote for from raising my taxes to buy your vote



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    so from that comment can we conclude you would support raining taxes on that particular group of rich folks?
    nope, I want everyone paying the same tax rate

    but since the dems are the ones who push treating people differently its stupid to treat someone making 200K to a couple million a year the same as someone with billions



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    I am shocked by your answer.
    Shocked I tell you!!!!!!
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Yet now we have another group of arrogant liberals who believe that increasing the taxes will create more revenue to the govt. Most mature individuals learn from their mistakes but not liberals, they compound them.
    There are mountains of evidence, but they simply prefer to look the other way. I loved hearing Krauthammer explain his transition from being a left of center Dem. It was empirical evidence; that what he believed was helping actually hurt. Once that was established, he had no choice but to change his mind.

    The examples are everywhere. The Ghettos, Welfare Reform, The Luxury Tax, Punitive State Taxation, and that they stopped calling it Reaganomics. If what they propose really works, then Carter should have been the hero of the left instead of the owner of The Misery Index.

    It's that old saying, "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by mertex View Post
    Really, I thought you were far more informed than that.
    Try, not adding $700B to the deficit, to give more money to the wealthy they don't need, and which you/your party claim you do not want to add to the deficit.
    And yet the vast majority of Dems don't have a problem with "adding $3.4T to the deficit" in order to extend the rest of the tax cuts.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    mertex;1059140396]Really, I thought you were far more informed than that.
    Try, not adding $700B to the deficit, to give more money to the wealthy they don't need, and which you/your party claim you do not want to add to the deficit. And the government has been taxing this certain class all along, it is not new, their taxes are just reverting back to what they were before Bush decided to gift his base with tax cuts that helped put us in the predicament we find ourselves in.
    How do you handle this superior intelligence that you have knowing what someone else needs? Where do you get your expertise and why do you believe that the govt. can spend the money better and smarter than the individual? I am sure that when you get less income that you always keep your spending the same or more, right? If you really have a problem with the tax cut then feel free to send it back. I will let the govt. know to expect it.

    You seem to have no problem with putting the country further in hole to help the wealthy, who don't need it and didn't ask for it, but don't seem to be bothered at all by your leaders refusing to extend benefits to the unemployed, which will create a bigger problem for the country when they go bankrupt, lose their homes and cars, while the rich just stash it away into savings where it doesn't do them or the country any good.
    You seem to have a basic misunderstanding of one, whose money it is in the first place and two, that spending, not revenue that is the problem. There is nothing to prevent anyone from sending their tax cuts back to the treasury.

    As for extending the benefits to the unemployed, how long do you think we should fund people to stay at home? Right now it is two years so that isn't enough? What are you doing to help the unemployed?

    Actually, I, myself would prefer that they let all the tax cuts expire, before giving in to Republicans and allowing the wealthy to continue to suck the life out of the country. Republicans claim to be such great "patriots" but they sure hem and haw when it comes to paying taxes. They want the benefits the taxes provide, protection from terrorists, safe food and water to drink, lower crime rates, etc., but they don't want to pay for them. That isn't patriotism if you ask me, that is selfishness and greed.
    Just like a typical big govt. liberal, let's send more to the govt so they can spend it on the things they need vs. the individual keeping the money and spending on the charities of their choice. I love how liberals tell us how the rich "suck the life out of the country" but when asked how allowing the rich to keep more of what they earn I get silence.

    Here are the line items for the budget, so for these we need higher taxes

    Expenses

    Defense
    International Affairs
    Gen. Science, Space
    Energy
    Natural resources/env
    Agriculture
    Commerce
    Transportation
    Community Dev
    Education/Train/Social
    Health
    Veterans Benefits
    Justice
    General Govt.
    Net Interest

    My bet is you didn't have a clue as to what income taxes funded.


    And along with your other conservative co-horts, you seem to have no trouble spewing your snarky and unnecessary remarks. How do you know whether Upsideguy has a job or not? Or, do you accuse all Dems of being out of work? For your information, Libs are now the wealthiest, however, Dems are the ones extending a hand to the needy. If you keep allowing your leaders to coddle the rich at your expense, you may find yourself being one visiting the Goodwill store and standing at the bread line at the County Bread Basket. Is that what they teach you at Faux News?
    Keep showing us that liberal intelligence as it provides great entertainment on a Sunday. "Dems are the ones extending a hand to the needy?" Really, can you site for me the source of that statement? Stereotyping is what you and other liberals do best. There is absolutely nothing moderate in anything you have posted.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    You didn't ask me, but you told me yours, why? Were you bragging or complaining? I also did 10 years reserves, and I get a military retirement that is taxed.

    Look up tax rates in 1964, explain how our economy was doing so well then.

    As poor as I was for so many years, I have never escaped paying income taxes. Not only should we repeal the Bush Tax cuts for the rich, we should raise the current rates at every level. That, along with budget cuts in social and military industry entitlements (including foreign aid), should help with deficits and debt.
    Read the following link, see what General Westmoreland has to say...

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    Do you have any idea how lame it is to see liberals fall back on the "marginal rate" arguments, claiming that we had uber-high marginal rates in teh past, and everyone survived. What we also had were mega deductions and exemptions, such that the net rate paid was below half the usual marginal rate back then. Do you think folks were really paying 80-90% of their income in tax ?

    It is also lame to have folks make all these claims over and over, as you have in many of your posts, and provide zero credible sources for it. When asked, they post more nonsense. Its getting pretty stupid.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It's that old saying, "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."
    The irony of this statement is stunning . Apparently you don't realize that Reaganomics is what delivered us into the economic depression we are in right now, and is the reason why the USA is in decline as a world power.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    There are mountains of evidence, but they simply prefer to look the other way. I loved hearing Krauthammer explain his transition from being a left of center Dem. It was empirical evidence; that what he believed was helping actually hurt. Once that was established, he had no choice but to change his mind.

    The examples are everywhere. The Ghettos, Welfare Reform, The Luxury Tax, Punitive State Taxation, and that they stopped calling it Reaganomics. If what they propose really works, then Carter should have been the hero of the left instead of the owner of The Misery Index.

    It's that old saying, "Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them."

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    Never in my life have I see so much passion for taking someone else's money and for what someone else pays in taxes while they ignore how that money is being spent. Of course the entire 3 trillion Obama has added to the debt is due to the 100 billion a year cost of the wars in their world. Liberals love spending someone else's money yet look at the charitable giving of those liberal bureaucrats. Maybe we can get Clinton to donate a few more pairs of underwear.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    nope, I want everyone paying the same tax rate

    but since the dems are the ones who push treating people differently its stupid to treat someone making 200K to a couple million a year the same as someone with billions
    Unless of course that tax rate was the same for everyone above a certain level; as you state in the first line.

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