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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    If you would stop calling people names and misrepresenting thier comments, you could save at least half of your typing...
    LOL, so someone calling me a plutocratic nutjob is me name calling? interesting.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Albert Di Salvo View Post
    Leftists never act in good faith. Allow them to raise taxes, and they will figure out a new way to spend it. Compromise isn't possible with leftists.
    you have proof of this?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by UtahBill View Post
    They wash, rinse, repeat, but their brains are still washed clean....maybe it is time to use less koolaid in the rinse?
    Name for me a successful liberal program that cost what it was supposed to cost, do what it was supposed to do, solved a problem and then went away? Interesting that you still don't get it, there is only one ideology that doesn't care how much money you make and one ideology where it is all about what someone else makes. I don't know why I waste my time defending you and your right to keep more of what you earn. You want to give it away, do it, but stop promoting the govt. taking it and doing what they want with it.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    hmmm...what is that favorite line of yours...oh! i remember!!! 'results matter'....the rich got their tax break, where are the jobs(remember, results matter!!) as for your goal....you believe what you want to believe, posters better than i have shown you, time and time again, how little you know .
    so you think the rich have a duty to fund your existence

    why do people who are dependent on the government get off claiming they are so knowledgeable? those who can take care of themselves have obviously learned a bit better than those who need a nanny state



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    you have proof of this?
    What do you call having the govt. decide what to do with your money?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    so you think the rich have a duty to fund your existence

    why do people who are dependent on the government get off claiming they are so knowledgeable? those who can take care of themselves have obviously learned a bit better than those who need a nanny state
    i take care of myself, i work for a living...how about you?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the 'conservative' viewpoint seems to be as long as the taxes go down, the dow goes up, and they are getting a great return on investment, employment numbers really don't matter....i'm more of the opinion that what would be a success for us as a country, would be the creation of good paying, full time jobs, where people can afford to do more than just buy grocerys and try and stay afloat week to week. i'm all for businesses doing well, making a solid profit, providing a return on investment... i'm not in favor of rigging the game so that all the benefits go to those who are rich, have all the capital...there has to be a balance, and that seems to be something that conservatives nowadays do not want....
    When taxes go down your take home income goes up. You seem to have a problem with that concept. Why do you believe the govt. should take your money and decide where to spend it. Aren't you capable of doing that?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    1) Given that the top 1% of the US population controls 40% of the wealth, it seems pretty equitable. But the discussion should be about tax burden rather than income tax as individual FIT is only a single form a taxation and not the only form. What is this recent obsession with income tax in distinction with all of the other taxes available. It seems to me on another thread I got a "woe is me" argument from you telling me you had a 50% tax burden because you (incorrectly) added all of these taxes and whined. Are you the only one that pays so many different forms of tax? NO. This notion that 47% of the people pay little or no FIT is irrelevant as tax is tax and government revenue is government revenue. The group of people that pay little or no income tax pay a much higher percentage of their income on FICA, sales taxes, often property tax, gas taxes, government use fees. They can use the same argument to suggest the wealthy to do not pay their fair share of such taxes as you are making to suggest they do not pay their fair share of FIT. Its time to let go of your obsession that the less fortunate pay less income tax unless you want to step up you contribution on the other taxes.

    2) There is no such thing as a death tax. Substantially everyone gets to die without having to pay taxes. Those with wealth do have a tax. While I agree that the $1 million threshold on the estate tax is much too low, the concept of the estate tax is among the most equitable of all taxes. You have to raise revenue. Every dollar collected from an estate tax relieves the need to collect a dollar against income or spending from those that are living and trying to balance their personal budgets. As Americans we believe in the idea of keeping what you earn. Passing an estate from one generation to another is not rewarding earning, it rewarding being a member of the lucky womb club. This transfer of wealth works to concentrate it ( potential investment capital) with those with no proven competence to appropriately deploy it. Since you have to tax, taxing here should be the least painful of all. Granted the mechanics need work (including the definition of an estate), but the concept of an estate tax is quite sound.

    The idea that we somehow need to protect the very wealthy in this country from excessive taxation (which is at its lowest levels in 50 years) is absurd. This type of political sideshow is exactly why this country is in serious do-do. There is no sense of duty to country among its citizens, just a sense of duty to self and letting the weaker suffer to pay the consequences of our collective malfeasance.
    the death tax is anathema to what this country was founded upon. You can make all the silly arguments you want and when we strip below the surface envy is what we find



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    What do you call having the govt. decide what to do with your money?
    hmmm....seems like we have elected officials who make that decision, and their are republicans/conservatives in that bunch....go figure.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    i take care of myself, i work for a living...how about you?
    me too, and I don't go around demanding that those who make more than me get taxed heavily. Everyone should pay for what they use and not demand others carry their share of the load. Imposing costs on others is pathetic



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