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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    the rich got their tax cut, i thought you said this would create jobs...where are these jobs? the rich still have the tax cut in place, yet, i'm not seeing the millions of job openings for all those whom you wish to cut off unemployment benefits for...where are the jobs conservative?? results matter!! you said we would see job creation with tax cuts for the rich...where are the jobs? results matter!!
    The rich and all other income earners got a tax cut and it did create jobs, now Progressives want to raise those taxes but only on a certain group, why not all?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    The rich and all other income earners got a tax cut and it did create jobs, now Progressives want to raise those taxes but only on a certain group, why not all?
    where are the jobs???? results matter!!

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    taxes are justice.
    wow!

    that's quite an admission

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    where are the jobs???? results matter!!
    Most apparently are in TX, you probably ask Strickland, oh, wait, he lost on Nov. 2. People are flocking to TX for jobs, wonder why?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Sounds like speculation to me which bodes to ask, if you don't care how much I make why do you care what someone else makes? How are the rich keeping more of their money affecting you?
    This isn't about me or you. I don't care how much anybody makes if they do it honestly.

    But your entire argument is based on the fault premise that everybody who has money earned it, or at least came by it honestly. They didn't. They got that money by reliance on a system that supports murder, deception, apartheid and every manner of crime you can think of.

    The rich benefit more from government coercion than the poor do. It is demonstrable by the fact they there is such a tremendous disparity between the top 1% and the bottom 95%, as has been observed by my esteemed colleague Barb. Certainly these benefits are passive (police protection, tort shields, caste systems, what have you) but they are there, while the poor benefit actively from government. But this is a difference in means of benefit, not degree.

    The rich clearly benefit from government coercion to a far greater degree than the poor. The poor may "benefit" by coercive regimes like welfare, but the immorality of this sort of coercion (which you term "wealth redistribution") pales in comparison with the government enforced "wealth redistribution" that flows from the poor to the rich. That is why it is fair to extract high taxes from the rich, to compensate the poor for the injustice done them by an inherently unjust government.
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Most apparently are in TX, you probably ask Strickland, oh, wait, he lost on Nov. 2. People are flocking to TX for jobs, wonder why?
    last i checked, texas had unemployment as well, so again, the rich got a tax break, where are these jobs you have been promising ? results matter!!

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    The system is criminal, and taxes are justice.
    Nonsense. Taxes = The system.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 12-05-10 at 02:32 PM.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by The Prof View Post
    wow!

    that's quite an admission
    You clipped the first half of a conditional sentence. Take quotes out of context, much?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Nonsense. Taxes = system.
    You aren't following me. Of course taxes are part of the system, but whereas the vast majority of government coercion creates a flow of wealth in one direction, from poor to rich, taxes create a flow of wealth in the other direction, from rich to poor. The reason the system is criminal is because it is so imbalanced and unfair. If taxes were higher it would balance the system out. Alternatively, we could remove the coercive elements that passively benefit the rich, but I'm not holding my breath for that.
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    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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