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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Of course you have more means to protect your stuff. But what happens when God forbid, a full scale assault happens on us, do you got tanks to protect your homes and your money in the banks? If a war wiped out a bunch of people you rely on to make profit then that doesn't that harm you? Thankfully, you have this massive army to prevent that. So are you saying you don't support the military and don't want to continue to contribute your fair share to make sure you keep getting your fair share?



    Very true, and not good either.
    More crap as usual. What is my fair share? are you claiming the top 1% use 40% of the services paid for by income taxes and ALL the services paid for by the death confiscation tax

    I have no problem with a flat tax meaning I still pay far far more than you will

    I have a problem with people like you-who don't pay your fair share demanding that those of us who pay more than we use having to pay even more



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Typical rant on your part that ignores the content of the posts being made. The tax cuts that Bush inacted continue to benefit even you today. They did not overcome the financial crisis that hit the country in 2008 nor could they but they still help you and your family on each paycheck. How is that a bad thing?

    If you want to pay more to the govt. do it but stop whining about what someone else pays as it doesn't affect you, your family, or even the nation. Spending is the problem, not tax cuts and that is where you seem to lack basic understanding.

    I have never called you a "leftwing nutjob" but I do call people who promote class envy people with an agenda that really don't care about anything but promoting govt. power. You are good at throwing titles and names around without offering much in the way of substance. Don't you find it somewhat puzzling that I don't really care how much money you make? Why do you care what someone else makes?
    typical rant? uh, no....take a look at your posts on the subject of taxes and the rich...your own posts prove my point. so conservative, say i want to discuss tax rates, and i believe that those who make more should pay more, in your world, i am suddenly a supporter of class warfare, since i want to discuss tax policy, you will start screaming how '47%' don't pay taxes, add to that 'why do you care how much someone makes?' and even on top of that 'your jealous'....then you start into your whole liberal bashing act. wash, rinse, repeat

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    part of the liberal elite assumptions is that they are in the best position to determine what is best for others and what is fair. That's why you hear them claiming "the rich" don't pay "their fair share" (it is true-the "rich" pay far more than their fair share-fair being most objectively defined as paying for what you use)
    You are exactly right and when the truth that the majority of taxes are payed by a minority of those who are in the top income brackets, while those in the lower brackets pay little or nothing the Liberals will desperately try to change the subject or just attack the messenger.

    The Democrats love to create a them and us situation and play the poor me card but it's always a load of Bovine Scatology based on lies and or misinformation.

    I have often wondered why Democrats were so into the party that they blindly follow as if who ever was at the top was the true Messiah, then it dawned on me they have no choice.

    When you spend your life repeating what you hear and believing what you are told, the ability to think for yourself dies.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    More crap as usual. What is my fair share? are you claiming the top 1% use 40% of the services paid for by income taxes and ALL the services paid for by the death confiscation tax

    I have no problem with a flat tax meaning I still pay far far more than you will

    I have a problem with people like you-who don't pay your fair share demanding that those of us who pay more than we use having to pay even more
    So you can't directly answer my points? When you couple all tax breaks that are possible, we essentially are closer to flat tax than you think in the first place. Eventually you will pay 3-5% more, and I would have no problem with the tax rates rolling back for all tax brackets within the next 10 years, just right now people that need it, need all they can get currently.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    typical rant? uh, no....take a look at your posts on the subject of taxes and the rich...your own posts prove my point. so conservative, say i want to discuss tax rates, and i believe that those who make more should pay more, in your world, i am suddenly a supporter of class warfare, since i want to discuss tax policy, you will start screaming how '47%' don't pay taxes, add to that 'why do you care how much someone makes?' and even on top of that 'your jealous'....then you start into your whole liberal bashing act. wash, rinse, repeat
    Those that make more DO pay more and it remains you and others who are concerned about what others make and pay in taxes. Why is that? My response on fairness is in response to the posts made here and I ask you if fairness is the issue as you want to claim that the rich don't pay their fair share, do you believe 47% of the people not paying ANY Federal income taxes is fair? So don't give me "this isn't fair" argument because you don't care about fairness for if you did you would focus on those who don't pay any Federal Income taxes.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    You are exactly right and when the truth that the majority of taxes are payed by a minority of those who are in the top income brackets, while those in the lower brackets pay little or nothing the Liberals will desperately try to change the subject or just attack the messenger.

    The Democrats love to create a them and us situation and play the poor me card but it's always a load of Bovine Scatology based on lies and or misinformation.

    I have often wondered why Democrats were so into the party that they blindly follow as if who ever was at the top was the true Messiah, then it dawned on me they have no choice.

    When you spend your life repeating what you hear and believing what you are told, the ability to think for yourself dies.
    Look at my previous points. You can argue against them until you are blue in the face but the truth is, the rich have much more at stake and therfore use the government and services provided from the government far more than one single poor person will in their entire life.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    So you can't directly answer my points? When you couple all tax breaks that are possible, we essentially are closer to flat tax than you think in the first place. Eventually you will pay 3-5% more, and I would have no problem with the tax rates rolling back for all tax brackets within the next 10 years, just right now people that need it, need all they can get currently.
    I addressed your post almost line by line and you ignored it. Could it be that you are having trouble admitting that you don't understand the various taxes we pay and what they go for? This thread is about Middle Class tax cuts and relates to INCOME TAXES. Are you telling me that 47% of the people making income but not paying any INCOME Taxes is fair in your world?

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    So you can't directly answer my points? When you couple all tax breaks that are possible, we essentially are closer to flat tax than you think in the first place. Eventually you will pay 3-5% more, and I would have no problem with the tax rates rolling back for all tax brackets within the next 10 years, just right now people that need it, need all they can get currently.
    more lies

    the rich pay a higher average income tax rate than any other group

    almost half the country pay less than 5%.

    YOU HAVE NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION-what is the FAIR SHARE FOR THE TOP ONE PERCENT TO PAY--right now they pay more of the tax burden (FIT and Death tax) than at any time in history-40%



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    Look at my previous points. You can argue against them until you are blue in the face but the truth is, the rich have much more at stake and therfore use the government and services provided from the government far more than one single poor person will in their entire life.
    Please site your source for that claim? How do the rich use more of public services than the poor? Please learn the difference between Income taxes and use taxes.
    Last edited by Conservative; 12-05-10 at 12:08 PM.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Those that make more DO pay more and it remains you and others who are concerned about what others make and pay in taxes. Why is that? My response on fairness is in response to the posts made here and I ask you if fairness is the issue as you want to claim that the rich don't pay their fair share, do you believe 47% of the people not paying ANY Federal income taxes is fair? So don't give me "this isn't fair" argument because you don't care about fairness for if you did you would focus on those who don't pay any Federal Income taxes.
    if you had your way, the rich would pay no taxes, you seem to labor under the assumption that if they pay little to no taxes, that they will 'magically' reinvest that money in ventures to create jobs.....again, they got a tax cut, where are the jobs? as for your 47%, are they economically able to afford a hike in taxes? seems your goal is to create a permanent upper class, a group that is able to pass on wealth from generation to generation, and to keep the working masses in their places.

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