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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    That is the point, you are the one that chooses what is fair income for you but you cannot choose what is fair to make for someone else. Many don't understand that concept. Why would anyone want the govt. to make that choice for them?
    part of the liberal elite assumptions is that they are in the best position to determine what is best for others and what is fair. That's why you hear them claiming "the rich" don't pay "their fair share" (it is true-the "rich" pay far more than their fair share-fair being most objectively defined as paying for what you use)



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    part of the liberal elite assumptions is that they are in the best position to determine what is best for others and what is fair. That's why you hear them claiming "the rich" don't pay "their fair share" (it is true-the "rich" pay far more than their fair share-fair being most objectively defined as paying for what you use)
    Right, liberals want to define fair share by whatever sells to their base yet they never offer specifics, just rich is bad. Notice how they never talk about the money the rich give to charities but they have no problem pointing to the very few that give free enterprise and capitalism a bad name.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    I am giving an example. After a point there is a such thing as having to much money and running out of **** to buy. But since you asked for a legit reason why they should pay more taxes I will give it to you.

    You know that massive DoD budget you guys like? The rich typically have much more to protect so GASP! It only makes sense that you pay more to protect your stuff from the scary terrorist!

    You know those airports and highways you so frequent between your power meetings, etc? Who the **** do you think funds that ****? Do you think poor people in trailer parks use those to much? REALLY?! They don't oh but you use them a **** load? Well you should be paying a bit more then shouldn't you!

    You want your employees to be well educated and their high school diploma to be more than a piece of paper so they aren't ****ing up and losing your company money? Well **** then you better pay some more taxes so they don't **** up and lose you even more money in the long run!

    You know though, we could just make up what you don't want to pay by taking away all the other tax breaks you get from the government. Oh you don't want them taken away either? Well geez Ebeneezer. Anyways that is all I can think of off the top of my head. Give me awhile I could probably think of a lot more that makes rich people bitching about this look pretty dumb for being such smart gifted rich people.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, liberals want to define fair share by whatever sells to their base yet they never offer specifics, just rich is bad. Notice how they never talk about the money the rich give to charities but they have no problem pointing to the very few that give free enterprise and capitalism a bad name.
    Waht is funny is that rich libs get alot of credit from the envious for the anti rich bs that the liberal elites engage in (look at the cyber-slurping of Buffett that went on on this forum) Yet the dull minded minions never understand that there are a bunch of people who are rich ONLY BECAUSE they have political power (how did "poor country school teacher Al Gore senior die a multi millionaire when the highest paid job he officially have was US SEnator which never paid more than 100K during his time in office) and they get that power by catering to the envious. If you are a rich dem, being in power is far more valuable than the costs you have to pay in sustaining class warfare.

    Right now John Kerry (on Meet the Press) is whining about the tax cuts for the rich. Now here is a guy who married into money he didn't earn but realizes paying a couple million a year more money is peanuts compared to the wealth and power he gets by being a senator.



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I am giving an example. After a point there is a such thing as having to much money and running out of **** to buy. But since you asked for a legit reason why they should pay more taxes I will give it to you.

    You know that massive DoD budget you guys like? The rich typically have much more to protect so GASP! It only makes sense that you pay more to protect your stuff from the scary terrorist!

    You know those airports and highways you so frequent between your power meetings, etc? Who the **** do you think funds that ****? Do you think poor people in trailer parks use those to much? REALLY?! They don't oh but you use them a **** load? Well you should be paying a bit more then shouldn't you!

    You want your employees to be well educated and their high school diploma to be more than a piece of paper so they aren't ****ing up and losing your company money? Well **** then you better pay some more taxes so they don't **** up and lose you even more money in the long run!

    You know though, we could just make up what you don't want to pay by taking away all the other tax breaks you get from the government. Oh you don't want them taken away either? Well geez Ebeneezer. Anyways that is all I can think of off the top of my head. Give me awhile I could probably think of a lot more that makes rich people bitching about this look pretty dumb for being such smart gifted rich people.
    More to protect? Rich people have more means to protect what they have. They live in low crime areas, have strong doors and sophisticated alarm systems and can hire private detectives and security.

    Your pathetic rants seem to think that right now the rich aren't paying the lions share of income tax. the top 1 percent PAY FORTY PERCENT OF THE INCOME TAX.

    WHAT PERCENT DO YOU THINK IS FAIR?



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    JohnWOlin;1059139661]I am giving an example. After a point there is a such thing as having to much money and running out of **** to buy. But since you asked for a legit reason why they should pay more taxes I will give it to you.

    You know that massive DoD budget you guys like? The rich typically have much more to protect so GASP! It only makes sense that you pay more to protect your stuff from the scary terrorist!

    You know those airports and highways you so frequent between your power meetings, etc? Who the **** do you think funds that ****? Do you think poor people in trailer parks use those to much? REALLY?! They don't oh but you use them a **** load? Well you should be paying a bit more then shouldn't you!
    Seems your prejudices are showing, why is it that money has to buy "things" and not do good things? Again, who are you to determine what is right for someone else?

    That massive DoD Budget that you are so concerned about is about 1/5 of the U.S. Budget and that is the role of the Federal Govt. according to the Constitution. You know, that little discussed phrase, "Provide for the Common Defense?" Looks to me like you don't understand the line items in the budget even though I have posted them many times.

    You also don't understand the taxes that we pay and their supposed use. Those highways are funded by gasoline taxes so if those poor people don't drive they don't pay the taxes. Again the issue here is INCOME TAXES. If you earn income you are taxed unless you are part of the 47% that don't pay any net income taxes. Is that fair in your world?

    You want your employees to be well educated and their high school diploma to be more than a piece of paper so they aren't ****ing up and losing your company money? Well **** then you better pay some more taxes so they don't **** up and lose you even more money in the long run!
    You think it is the Federal Government's thus the national taxpayer to fund local schools? No, those are funded by the states and local communities. Again you are confused as to the taxes and their use.

    You know though, we could just make up what you don't want to pay by taking away all the other tax breaks you get from the government. Oh you don't want them taken away either? Well geez Ebeneezer. Anyways that is all I can think of off the top of my head. Give me awhile I could probably think of a lot more that makes rich people bitching about this look pretty dumb for being such smart gifted rich people.
    Please learn the difference between the Federal and State responsibilities and thus the taxes we pay.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Right, liberals want to define fair share by whatever sells to their base yet they never offer specifics, just rich is bad. Notice how they never talk about the money the rich give to charities but they have no problem pointing to the very few that give free enterprise and capitalism a bad name.
    ya know, i don't believe i've seen an argument that 'rich are bad'..i've seen arguments over what tax rates should apply to the rich, i've seen arguments over what income amount a person has to have to be considered rich, i've seen arguments over what responsibilities the rich have to society....what i have seen is statements by yourself and turtledude, screaming 'class warfare' 'who are you to decide what the rich should pay' '47%' 'tax cuts create jobs'( where are these jobs, as the tax cuts are still ongoing at the moment?) everytime this subject is brought up, and an attempt at intelligent conversation on the topic is made, the two of you come in screaming with your undies in a bunch, pretending that you know better than anyone else here about tax policy, about economics, about life in general, and anyone who disagrees with you is a leftwing nutjob, liberal , communist, socialist(insert label here).

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    You know that massive DoD budget you guys like? The rich typically have much more to protect so GASP! It only makes sense that you pay more to protect your stuff from the scary terrorist!
    obama ESCALATED afghanistan

    You know though, we could just make up what you don't want to pay by taking away all the other tax breaks you get from the government. Oh you don't want them taken away either? Well geez Ebeneezer. Anyways that is all I can think of off the top of my head. Give me awhile I could probably think of a lot more that makes rich people bitching about this look pretty dumb for being such smart gifted rich people.
    LOL!

    tell it to the boss

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Of course you have more means to protect your stuff. But what happens when God forbid, a full scale assault happens on us, do you got tanks to protect your homes and your money in the banks? If a war wiped out a bunch of people you rely on to make profit then that doesn't that harm you? Thankfully, you have this massive army to prevent that. So are you saying you don't support the military and don't want to continue to contribute your fair share to make sure you keep getting your fair share?

    obama ESCALATED afghanistan
    Very true, and not good either.
    Last edited by JohnWOlin; 12-05-10 at 11:44 AM.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by randel View Post
    ya know, i don't believe i've seen an argument that 'rich are bad'..i've seen arguments over what tax rates should apply to the rich, i've seen arguments over what income amount a person has to have to be considered rich, i've seen arguments over what responsibilities the rich have to society....what i have seen is statements by yourself and turtledude, screaming 'class warfare' 'who are you to decide what the rich should pay' '47%' 'tax cuts create jobs'( where are these jobs, as the tax cuts are still ongoing at the moment?) everytime this subject is brought up, and an attempt at intelligent conversation on the topic is made, the two of you come in screaming with your undies in a bunch, pretending that you know better than anyone else here about tax policy, about economics, about life in general, and anyone who disagrees with you is a leftwing nutjob, liberal , communist, socialist(insert label here).

    Typical rant on your part that ignores the content of the posts being made. The tax cuts that Bush inacted continue to benefit even you today. They did not overcome the financial crisis that hit the country in 2008 nor could they but they still help you and your family on each paycheck. How is that a bad thing?

    If you want to pay more to the govt. do it but stop whining about what someone else pays as it doesn't affect you, your family, or even the nation. Spending is the problem, not tax cuts and that is where you seem to lack basic understanding.

    I have never called you a "leftwing nutjob" but I do call people who promote class envy people with an agenda that really don't care about anything but promoting govt. power. You are good at throwing titles and names around without offering much in the way of substance. Don't you find it somewhat puzzling that I don't really care how much money you make? Why do you care what someone else makes?

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