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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    upsideguy;1059138574]So what? That does not mean the are not taxpayers. Virtually everyone is taxed and pays some form of tax. The 47% of the people you cite pay a much higher percentage of their incomes on sales tax, gasoline tax and FICA that the other 53%, giving them the right to bitch and moan that the 53% have it easy.
    Doesn't look like you understand the tax structure of this country and the difference between use taxes and Federal Income taxes. Please tell me what sales taxes, gasoline taxes, and FICA taxes fund and thus their relationship to Federal Income Taxes.

    I love these people that cite that so much of the population pays no tax, yet they are so quick to add up all of the taxes and tell you they are paying more then half their income in tax (which is a complete myth, but that is another discussion). Let's be intellectually honest here... either income tax is just a particular form of tax, in which case no one is exempt of taxation; or income tax is the only tax.... in which case, its hard to complain about taxes as it rare that one pays more that 25% of his income in income tax.
    I love people who divert from the thread topic in hopes of making some kind of points. At debate here are the extension of the Bush tax cuts and that has nothing to do with the other taxes you mentioned. How can you say it is a myth that some people pay over 50% of their income in taxes. You need to get out more and do some research. What you don't seem to understand is that income taxes are taxes on what you make and use taxes are taxes upon what you use. If you don't drive a car, you don't pay gasolline taxes, if you don't own a home, you don't pay property taxes, if you don't buy anything you don't pay sales taxes but if you earn income you are to pay income taxes yet 47% don't. Get it yet?

    Stop with your class envy. Everyone has a tax burden.

    No, everyone doesn't have an income tax burden and since income taxes fund the govt. 47% aren't paying any share of that responsibility. I am for extention of all the Bush tax cuts thus have no class envy. I am part of an ideology that doesn't really care how much money YOU make. Only liberals care what someone else makes yet it does seem that liberals want do define fair by creating their own definition.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    So what? That does not mean the are not taxpayers. Virtually everyone is taxed and pays some form of tax. The 47% of the people you cite pay a much higher percentage of their incomes on sales tax, gasoline tax and FICA that the other 53%, giving them the right to bitch and moan that the 53% have it easy.
    What do you have to support that ? A "much higher percent", that is. Simple math says otherwise. The progressive nature of our tax system surely says otherwise. As many who pay no income tax receive added benefits, there's a good chance many are net recipients of government services, not net taxpayers (see food stamps, for example). The numbers are not there for you.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I love these people that cite that so much of the population pays no tax, yet they are so quick to add up all of the taxes and tell you they are paying more then half their income in tax (which is a complete myth, but that is another discussion). Let's be intellectually honest here... either income tax is just a particular form of tax, in which case no one is exempt of taxation; or income tax is the only tax.... in which case, its hard to complain about taxes as it rare that one pays more that 25% of his income in income tax.

    Stop with your class envy. Everyone has a tax burden.
    Again, with about 25% of society as net recipients, meaning they get back more than they pay in, many do not have a net burden. We do have higher end income earners, where if the Bush tax cuts expire on them, will be paying over 50% easily in taxes to the Fed and States. Take NY. Just with federal income tax, state income tax, sales tax, and average property tax, many will be over 55% of income. Its really not quite as you wish it was. And like the race card, class envy is very much a well-used tool of the Democrats. As evidence, I present this picture from today. Can you tell me what is misleading about it ? You can see enough to tell. Thanks

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    I would hope that they pay more than the bottom 95%? The top 1 percent includes multi-billionaires? lol try again?
    Yes, the top 1% includes billionaires. The top 1% pays more than the bottom 95% combined
    Does that sound fair to you?
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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Barbbtx View Post
    Yes, the top 1% includes billionaires. The top 1% pays more than the bottom 95% combined
    Does that sound fair to you?
    It's about as fair as the top 1% owning as much as the bottom 95% combined.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's about as fair as the top 1% owning as much as the bottom 95% combined.
    Who are you to determine what is fair? You might even become more successful if you weren't so worried about what someone else makes or owns.

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    It's about as fair as the top 1% owning as much as the bottom 95% combined.
    more confusion from you-its a tax on income not wealth and the top 1% do not have more income (40%) than those who pay less income taxes



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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Who are you to determine what is fair? You might even become more successful if you weren't so worried about what someone else makes or owns.
    I can determine what is fair and it isn't. I've done things that not one person on this forum could have ever dreamed of because of work I have done and earned, but I still don't think it's fair. Everyone should get to do what I've been able to do, but not everyone can.

    I've done things that were so easy for me to do and made ridiculious amounts of money off of it--like the equivalent of $500 an hour while other people do honest work for far, far less. Am I better than everyone else? No. I'm just lucky that I can sucker someone into paying me the equal of $500/hr for something that comes naturally to me. Chances are these people in the top 1% while worked hard at it, didn't have to work hard to be good at it, it is something that came naturally to them, the real challenge to them was making a lot of money overtime.
    "We’re going to close the unproductive tax loopholes that allow some of the truly wealthy to avoid paying their fair share. In theory, some of those loopholes were understandable, but in practice they sometimes made it possible for millionaires to pay nothing, while a bus driver was paying ten percent of his salary, and that’s crazy." -Reagan

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    Re: House Passes Middle-Class Tax Cut as Dems, GOP Try to Reach Compromise

    Quote Originally Posted by JohnWOlin View Post
    I can determine what is fair and it isn't. I've done things that not one person on this forum could have ever dreamed of because of work I have done and earned, but I still don't think it's fair. Everyone should get to do what I've been able to do, but not everyone can.

    I've done things that were so easy for me to do and made ridiculious amounts of money off of it--like the equivalent of $500 an hour while other people do honest work for far, far less. Am I better than everyone else? No. I'm just lucky that I can sucker someone into paying me the equal of $500/hr for something that comes naturally to me. Chances are these people in the top 1% while worked hard at it, didn't have to work hard to be good at it, it is something that came naturally to them, the real challenge to them was making a lot of money overtime.
    That is the point, you are the one that chooses what is fair income for you but you cannot choose what is fair to make for someone else. Many don't understand that concept. Why would anyone want the govt. to make that choice for them?

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